Archived $11.50 pay

[berrsim]

Hey everyone
I started working at Target almost a month ago and my starting pay is $11.50. My coworker told me that the store pay is $12.50 though, so I was wondering when my pay would increase to that wage

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Welcome! I would more concern with making past 90 days first. depending where you are located maybe in sept.
https://www.thebreakroom.org/threads/about-that-pay-raise-to-12.18972/

 

[Kartman]

You'll probably get bumped to 12 in Q4.

 

[Shopgirl3]

I'm already at $12/hour. My district must have been like if a TM isn't already at $12, bump them up. My merit raise was to have been $11.80 or so.

 

[Kartman]

At my store, existing TM were bumped up to 12, but new hires are still at 11. Their bump will come at Q-4.

 

[phibot]

And everyone who was already making between 11 and 11.99 got shafted

 

[Fluttervale]

And everyone who was already making between 11 and 11.99 got shafted

How are you "shafted" when you are making more money than you would have othereise?

 

[SFSFun]

And everyone who was already making between 11 and 11.99 got shafted

If you were making 11.99, you still would have gotten your normal merit raise that put you above $12.

Yeah, you would have missed out on the base increase, but everyone knew that was going to happen eventually from the time Target announced they were going to $15/hr by 2020. It’s going to be like that for a few more years, until most TMs are making $15/hr.

 

[phibot]

Which sucks for those of us who have been here for a while and actually earned those numbers instead of just showing up and making more. Merit raises shouldn't be eaten by the companywide increases. Lots of people quit at my store because of it

 

[IWishIKnew]

You're free to quit and work somewhere else.

Seriously, the whining about increase in wages is getting a little ridiculous on this forum. I'm sure there was someone bitching about newbies getting the rate you got when you were hired, and so on all the way back to 1962. One of the things you sacrifice with longevity at any company on the planet is wages that keep up with starting wages year over year. Starting wages generally outpace merit & COL increases across the board, with companies doing market adjustments periodically to bring exisitng employees up to current rates (if your company doesn't completely suck, that is). That is what Target is doing here, though they're actually paying above market wages for regular retail.

There are usually tradeoffs with longevity in the form of benefits and job security and other things, but if you decide those tradeoffs are no longer acceptable, then quit and find a new job. That's how it works.

 

[FlowTeamChick]

I've been in the work force, both public and private sector, for a few decades now. This is not my first retail gig. But it is the first place I've ever worked at where experience and longevity make no difference in pay rates, and where raises are effectively wiped out with new starting pay rates. That I make exactly the same as a newbie and I have some years in at Target is galling.
As to finding another job, don't think I'm not looking. Early-morning hours are tough to come by.

 

[BleacherSeats]

I've been in the work force, both public and private sector, for a few decades now. This is not my first retail gig. But it is the first place I've ever worked at where experience and longevity make no difference in pay rates, and where raises are effectively wiped out with new starting pay rates. That I make exactly the same as a newbie and I have some years in at Target is galling.
As to finding another job, don't think I'm not looking. Early-morning hours are tough to come by.

Serious question, did those other companies have such large increases in starting rates though? I've been in retail for almost 25 years and with the handful of companies I've worked for the main reason veteran employees were making more was because none of them aggressively raised starting wages.

Also my go to question when discussing this, which no one has actually ever been able to answer btw---Other than ego, how does a new hire's increased pay negatively affect you?

 

[Llamanatee]

You're free to quit and work somewhere else.

Seriously, the whining about increase in wages is getting a little ridiculous on this forum. I'm sure there was someone bitching about newbies getting the rate you got when you were hired, and so on all the way back to 1962. One of the things you sacrifice with longevity at any company on the planet is wages that keep up with starting wages year over year. Starting wages generally outpace merit & COL increases across the board, with companies doing market adjustments periodically to bring exisitng employees up to current rates (if your company doesn't completely suck, that is). That is what Target is doing here, though they're actually paying above market wages for regular retail.

There are usually tradeoffs with longevity in the form of benefits and job security and other things, but if you decide those tradeoffs are no longer acceptable, then quit and find a new job. That's how it works.

I'm probably not going to be eligible for benefits soon and I've had them the 11 years I've been working there. I don't care about the starting pay. I've busted my ass to get the highest rating every year and I was a specialist at one point. Those things combined have put me at 15.00$ already. I try not to take it personal when I'm working barely 25 hours and I know how to do A LOT of processes, yet someone that is limited gets 40 hours or close.

I understand where some are coming from when Target doesn't feel like it is a secure job anymore, so then what do they have going for them then?

 

[Llamanatee]

Honestly if I could find a job that gave me 40 hours a week but paid $2 less and was about the same type of work as far as workload, I'd take it.

 

[SFSFun]

Honestly if I could find a job that gave me 40 hours a week but paid $2 less and was about the same type of work as far as workload, I'd take it.

Honestly you just described Walmart.

 

[Llamanatee]

Honestly you just described Walmart.

You don't know what my workload consists of.

 

[Llamanatee]

Honestly you just described Walmart.

Also I know quite a few people that work at Wally World, some in management, and with the changes that they are about to make no thanks. Also, the only way I could get 13/hr here would to be a department manager. No thanks.

 

[unknown]

You're free to quit and work somewhere else.

Seriously, the whining about increase in wages is getting a little ridiculous on this forum. I'm sure there was someone bitching about newbies getting the rate you got when you were hired, and so on all the way back to 1962. One of the things you sacrifice with longevity at any company on the planet is wages that keep up with starting wages year over year. Starting wages generally outpace merit & COL increases across the board, with companies doing market adjustments periodically to bring exisitng employees up to current rates (if your company doesn't completely suck, that is). That is what Target is doing here, though they're actually paying above market wages for regular retail.

There are usually tradeoffs with longevity in the form of benefits and job security and other things, but if you decide those tradeoffs are no longer acceptable, then quit and find a new job. That's how it works.

Please detail which stated company policy you are referring to when you say "job security." All I ever hear is .... Target doesn't owe you hours. Or, Target doesn't guarantee hours.

And from what I can see, the only 2 benefits that increase over time are vacation accrual and anniversary gifts. So I'll barely give you that.

You are more than welcome to not read threads about people not liking Target's policies. I don't have to agree with every policy to work there. For example, clogging whole aisles with pallets in the name of guest service is stupid. Such as this pic. 12:30, Saturday afternoon. No one can even shop fan central. Entirely blocked by pallets. It doesn't matter if there are 10 extra team members on the floor. If the guest can't shop.

 

[Llamanatee]

Please detail which stated company policy you are referring to when you say "job security." All I ever hear is .... Target doesn't owe you hours. Or, Target doesn't guarantee hours.

And from what I can see, the only 2 benefits that increase over time are vacation accrual and anniversary gifts. So I'll barely give you that.

You are more than welcome to not read threads about people not liking Target's policies. I don't have to agree with every policy to work there. For example, clogging whole aisles with pallets in the name of guest service is stupid. Such as this pic. 12:30, Saturday afternoon. No one can even shop fan central. Entirely blocked by pallets. It doesn't matter if there are 10 extra team members on the floor. If the guest can't shop.

Ours is usually blocking very high traffic areas for this time of year like luggage and backpacks and part of the TV wall. I've seen guests climb over and through pallets/flats/tubs to look at stuff. If I ask if someone can move it so that it can be shoppable, I'm told it's going to be a while because either no one can do it or there's no space to put it.

I thought guests came first?

 

[unknown]

Ours is usually blocking very high traffic areas for this time of year like luggage and backpacks and part of the TV wall. I've seen guests climb over and through pallets/flats/tubs to look at stuff. If I ask if someone can move it so that it can be shoppable, I'm told it's going to be a while because either no one can do it or there's no space to put it.

I thought guests came first?

Profits come first.

 

[IWishIKnew]

I'm probably not going to be eligible for benefits soon and I've had them the 11 years I've been working there. I don't care about the starting pay. I've busted my ass to get the highest rating every year and I was a specialist at one point. Those things combined have put me at 15.00$ already. I try not to take it personal when I'm working barely 25 hours and I know how to do A LOT of processes, yet someone that is limited gets 40 hours or close.

I understand where some are coming from when Target doesn't feel like it is a secure job anymore, so then what do they have going for them then?

But none of this has anything to do with the raise to $12. The distribution of hours and how stores handle it is a separate issue from how much Target as a corporate entity pays starting wages.

By secure I mean less likely to be laid off, though hours are always going to be weird in retail, and vary store-by-store (if TBR is any indication). Though loyalty in the corporate world is a thing of the past, so nothing is guaranteed, but hiring new people is more expensive than keeping around dependable veterans, which is what I have in mind with job security.

But as they won't be loyal to you, there's no reason for you to be loyal to them, so if you're really so bitter about making more money, you're free to look elsewhere. I just have a hard time seeing the logic of being bitter about making more money, as it has been noted, hasn't caused anyone to lose out on any wages. I haven't yet seen any actual evidence that the move to $12 has a causative relationship to hours being down, just a bunch of people here complaining about losing hours. Which sucks, but hours being tight or fluctuating month-to-month are one of the few things on this forum that don't appear to be ASANTS.

@HRLady (or another HR person or other in the know) is store payroll generally set by a total number of hours or a total dollar amount paid?

 

[phibot]

You're free to quit and work somewhere else.

Seriously, the whining about increase in wages is getting a little ridiculous on this forum. I'm sure there was someone bitching about newbies getting the rate you got when you were hired, and so on all the way back to 1962. One of the things you sacrifice with longevity at any company on the planet is wages that keep up with starting wages year over year. Starting wages generally outpace merit & COL increases across the board, with companies doing market adjustments periodically to bring exisitng employees up to current rates (if your company doesn't completely suck, that is). That is what Target is doing here, though they're actually paying above market wages for regular retail.

There are usually tradeoffs with longevity in the form of benefits and job security and other things, but if you decide those tradeoffs are no longer acceptable, then quit and find a new job. That's how it works.

Oh I agree. Promote or die in Targetland

I can still sympathize though

 

[HRLady]

@HRLady (or another HR person or other in the know) is store payroll generally set by a total number of hours or a total dollar amount paid?

Store payroll is measured by work hours. Each store is given a number of hours to allocate to different work centers. You could get paid $12 or $15 but working 1 hour still means that the store used up 1 payroll hour.

 

[Stocker]

If you were making 11.99, you still would have gotten your normal merit raise that put you above $12.

Yeah, you would have missed out on the base increase, but everyone knew that was going to happen eventually from the time Target announced they were going to $15/hr by 2020. It’s going to be like that for a few more years, until most TMs are making $15/hr.

Looking forward to the $15 if I am still here in 2020. Probably only give 10-15 hours a week by then too.

 

[Times Up]

Looking forward to the $15 if I am still here in 2020. Probably only give 10-15 hours a week by then too.

Im fine with that.