Transgender and Bathrooms

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I'm done defending myself against you bleeding heart liberals. Believe what you want, I'll do the same. But believe me, if I see a man walking into the women's room while my wife or child is in there, I'm going to make sure HE waits until my family is out of the bathroom.


i assure you, there are tons of trans people you would never be able to spot. You can't have it both ways. When you are so dead set on this ridiculous "people assumed at birth to be female should go in the women's room" argument you're gonna get some VERY masculine people showing up in those bathrooms.

So yea...try not to assault the bearded man that you don't know was born without a penis walking in the women's room- afterall, they're just doing exactly what you are demanding they do.
 
Meanwhile, some woman is twiddling her bean in the neighboring stall to the sound of your daughter urinating. You're not safe and men aren't evil. The facts don't support your concerns, and you even admitted that this was just how you "felt." I think people went on a witch hunt after you, because it's the internet, but I also mostly agree with them. The ones that are scientifically correct at leaat.


Exactly! So many men are wanting to talk about how the system can be sexist towards them when feminism is brought up, and yet so many men are equally brainwashed into believing men=sexual predators.

The fact that people are so concerned about men and women going to the bathroom behind locked (and secure- again- they need to get rid of those shitty stall doors that you can see through!) doors is so incredibly sad and TOTALLY unfair to men.
 
Still missing my point there... I do not care how someone feels (well I do, but not in this regard). Just use the bathroom that correlates with the sex you were born as...why is this discriminatory?
It is discriminatory. Transgender people have the right to live as the sex they identify with.Just because someone is transgender doesn't mean they want to be a perv and spy on you. Plenty of trans people do look like they were the gender they identify with and having them go into the restroom of the other gender they were born with can be traumatizing for them. This guy going into the ladies room would not only make him , uncomfortable but other people uncomfortable too. Do you really think he belongs in the women's room?
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It is discriminatory. Transgender people have the right to live a the sex they were born with. Just because someone is transgender doesn't mean they want to be a perv and spy on you. Plenty of trans people do look like they were the gender they identify with and having them go into the restroom of the other gender be traumatizing. This guy going into the ladies room would not only make him , uncomfortable but other people uncomfortable too. Do you really think he belongs in the women's room?
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Funny how @KimJungUn wants this person in a bathroom with his wife and daughter, but my friend, who looks just as feminine as any other woman, would have to go into the men's room. Not really seeing the logic there.
 
Being father to a young girl, I do see some harm in it. I'm not comfortable with someone that has a penis using the same restroom as my little girl.

If transgender people want their own bathrooms I'm fine with that, build them a 3rd shitter. I just don't care what someone "identifies as", if you have a penis you don't belong in a women's restroom.
So how about gay people? Would you feel uncomfortable using a mens restroom with someone who's gay? Should they have their own restroom?

Also, I'd like sex offenders to have their own bathroom as well.

OP, I understand your intentions were good but it was a big mistake posting this thread in general target chat.
 
I am a M-F Transsexual team member, If you ever met me you would never know I was born in a male body, but my mind has always been female. I have known it since I was a young kid, I transitioned in my 20's and I guarantee you I would cause a seen if I used a Men's Room. I have used the woman's room since I transitioned and guess what, no one has ever batted an eye or questioned it. Do we laws or policies saying specifically that Trans people can use the bathroom of their chose, I personally don't think its needed based my experiences, I think it is overkill and only needed for cross dressers, (Not the same as Transexuals as they only like to wear women's clothing and have no desire to change their gender.)

While I don't agree with anything that @KimJungUn has said in this Thread I will support his 1'st Amendment rights to say and believe what he wants.

My personal beliefs are as follows, I don't expect everyone to agree with them, but I feel that they should be put out there and Are in no way an attack on anyones's personal views. Any one I tag below it is highlight areas of my personal beliefs in relation to topic the individual(s) may have brought up and then only merely for the convenience of others who might be following this thread as a way of making it easier to follow.

To make the blanket statement that Being Trans is a choice for all, is like saying all that all gay men are feminine and flamboyant as they are portrayed on TV and in the movies. While it may be a choice for some it may not be for all. For me I have always felt as though I was born in the wrong body. The only choice I had was what to do about it. I could have suffered mental pain and anguish and done nothing, but I didn't want that. I took the necessary steps needed to correct what my Dr's agreed was needed to be comfortable in my own skin. One thing I will pint out is not all trans people are the same, nor is the treatment for their condition. For me fully transitioning was what my Dr's and I felt was needed, while others are content to just dress as a woman or a man, heck some people who thought they might be Trans discover through Therepy that they are not. We are each different.

Now while @KimJungUn is Christian and has certain beliefs, not everyone does. There are differences of opinion in the Christian church on this matter not only between the different Christian Sects, (For example Episcopals, baptists, catholics, etc...) , but between different churches in those sects. Many other religions have a different take on genders and there can be several different Also We need to Remember that This Country unlike many in the world doesn't have a state religion. Our country's founders, many of who's families came to land seeking freedom from religious persecution, spelled out in our constitution that there is a separation of church and state.
I personally Feel that all the Social issues such as this, things like abortions, gay marriage, etc... don't belong in politics, shouldn't be something the states and federal government regulate. They are individual decisions and don't affect anyone but the individuals involved. Our country has bigger issues to deal with such as it's massive debt.

As for Target's policy on restrooms, gender equality, Coverage of Sexual Reassignment Surgery (which is covered for those who are not aware), etc.. They are a private company and should have the right to make the policies on these topics that they wish. Just like how I, as an individual have the right as a human being to decide what I wish to d with my Body!
 
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I am a M-F Transsexual team member, If you ever met me you would never know I was born in a male body, but my mind has always been female. I have known it since I was a young kid, I transitioned in my 20's and I guarantee you I would cause a seen if I used a Men's Room. I have used the woman's room since I transitioned and guess what, no one has ever batted an eye or questioned it. Do we laws or policies saying specifically that Trans people can use the bathroom of their chose, I personally don't think its needed based my experiences, I think it is overkill and only needed for cross dressers, (Not the same as Transexuals as they only like to wear women's clothing and have no desire to change their gender.)

While I don't agree with anything that @KimJungUn has said in this Thread I will support his 1'st Amendment rights to say and believe what he wants.

My personal beliefs are as follows, I don't expect everyone to agree with them, but I feel that they should be put out there and Are in no way an attack on anyones's personal views. Any one I tag below it is highlight areas of my personal beliefs in relation to topic the individual(s) may have brought up and then only merely for the convenience of others who might be following this thread as a way of making it easier to follow.

To make the blanket statement that Being Trans is a choice for all, is like saying all that all gay men are feminine and flamboyant as they are portrayed on TV and in the movies. While it may be a choice for some it may not be for all. For me I have always felt as though I was born in the wrong body. The only choice I had was what to do about it. I could have suffered mental pain and anguish and done nothing, but I didn't want that. I took the necessary steps needed to correct what my Dr's agreed was needed to be comfortable in my own skin. One thing I will pint out is not all trans people are the same, nor is the treatment for their condition. For me fully transitioning was what my Dr's and I felt was needed, while others are content to just dress as a woman or a man, heck some people who thought they might be Trans discover through Therepy that they are not. We are each different.

Now while @KimJungUn is Christian and has certain beliefs, not everyone does. There are differences of opinion in the Christian church on this matter not only between the different Christian Sects, (For example Episcopals, baptists, catholics, etc...) , but between different churches in those sects. Many other religions have a different take on genders and there can be several different Also We need to Remember that This Country unlike many in the world doesn't have a state religion. Our country's founders, many of who's families came to land seeking freedom from religious persecution, spelled out in our constitution that there is a separation of church and state.
I personally Feel that all the Social issues such as this, things like abortions, gay marriage, etc... don't belong in politics, shouldn't be something the states and federal government regulate. They are individual decisions and don't affect anyone but the individuals involved. Our country has bigger issues to deal with such as it's massive debt.

As for Target's policy on restrooms, gender equality, Coverage of Sexual Reassignment Surgery (which is covered fr those who are not aware), etc.. They are a private company and should have the right to make the policies on these topics that they wish. Just like how I, as an individual have the right as a human being to decide what I wish to d with my Body!

I love this post. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
 
I think what KimJung was trying to state was his discomfort with the idea of his daughter in a potentially vulnerable situation. As a Christian he has values he endorses and he has a right to. For the people who want change it appears your day is coming.
 
I just do not understand what is so traumatic by using the restroom of your biological sex
It is discriminatory. Transgender people have the right to live as the sex they identify with.Just because someone is transgender doesn't mean they want to be a perv and spy on you. Plenty of trans people do look like they were the gender they identify with and having them go into the restroom of the other gender they were born with can be traumatizing for them. This guy going into the ladies room would not only make him , uncomfortable but other people uncomfortable too. Do you really think he belongs in the women's room?
Yes, SHE belongs in the womens restroom. Restrooms are not separated on how people look or feel, they are separated by biological sex. If using a restroom that correlates with your biological sex is traumatic, then you need to see a shrink.
Also, I never accused transpeople of being pervs.
 
I just do not understand what is so traumatic by using the restroom of your biological sex

Yes, SHE belongs in the womens restroom. Restrooms are not separated on how people look or feel, they are separated by biological sex. If using a restroom that correlates with your biological sex is traumatic, then you need to see a shrink.
Also, I never accused transpeople of being pervs.
Except that when you were born male and now you look like: 12961397_10154038261803211_1243846214920582151_o.jpg
Or like this FtM trans man: shawn1.png
You'd never be able to tell in the first place. Forcing someone who no longer conforms to the gender they were born to, to use the bathroom that corresponds to their birth gender leads to so many more problems. It opens them up to violence. As 2015 Sees A Record Number Of Documented Transgender Murders, A Glimmer Of Hope
http://www.bustle.com/articles/8745...er-suicide-and-violence-that-you-need-to-know
Why Transgender Americans Are Being Murdered
 
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While I don't agree with anything that @KimJungUn has said in this Thread I will support his 1'st Amendment rights to say and believe what he wants.
The first amendment has to do with the government punishing people for their speech. That doesn't apply to private forums. People can use their freedom of speech to say how ridiculous someone else's speech is.
 
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People need to calm down. I am betting that we all have had a trans-gender person next to us in the stall. Big deal. People need to educate themselves. They are not pedophiles or rapists. Many beautiful women you may see walking around are actually men who may have not totally transitioned, which is fine. If you saw one of them walk into a men's restroom because they are men on their birth certificates, you would think they are in the wrong restroom based on outwardly appearance. Ignorance breeds fear. I say bravo Target.
 
I'm all for shrinking the size of existing bathrooms. Rather than multiple stalls in one bathroom, there's now just a single toilet. Don't want to piss next to a trans person? That's cool. Now you don't have to piss next to anyone. Now you can stand outside and wait in line for a bathroom to open up. Might be 30 seconds for the person ahead of you to pee, or it might be 5 minutes for a TM's morning deuce. But hey, as long as you don't have to pee next to a trans-person, right?
 
Being father to a young girl, I do see some harm in it. I'm not comfortable with someone that has a penis using the same restroom as my little girl.

If transgender people want their own bathrooms I'm fine with that, build them a 3rd shitter. I just don't care what someone "identifies as", if you have a penis you don't belong in a women's restroom.
But if you have a transgender bathroom, you will still have penises and vaginas in the same room. Allowing people to use the bathroom they identify with reduces the anxiety for everyone - you won't know (and I hope you won't be peeking - that's rude!) and the trans person will be safe. Where's the bad in this?
 
Because it's perverse and disgusting. I shouldn't have to explain to a little girl why the "lady" in the bathroom with her was peeing standing up.
None of the ladies' restrooms that I've been in have urinals and I've been in a shit ton of ladies' restrooms (I'm old, not pervy). If she is standing in the stall next to you, stop peeking! Otherwise you wouldn't know.
 
The first amendment has to do with the government punishing people for their speech. Hat doesn't apply to private forums. People can use their freedom of speech to say how ridiculous someone else's speech is.
Still He was expressing an opinion and I fell that regardless of whether or not I agree with it, he should have the right to make it without being attacked. I am not for censorship. If someone is personally targeting someone, then there should be consequences. If anything I have see more people attack @KimJungUn for having an opinion that differs from his.
I personally don't feel attacked by him, or offended for that matter. Where in the rules of the forum does it state that if a person wishes to express an opinion they need to make sure that is a popular one?
Looking back over this thread I found several things I agree with him with. I believe that private businesses should have the right to refuses services to anyone. I for one do not want to force my ways on anyone especially if they are uncomfortable about it. If I ever choose to marry for example, I would never try and force anyplace to hold the ceremony. All I would care about is having my friends, and loved ones there.
Heck I wouldn't force the government to recognize it. I personally feel that a civil union covers any rights to taxes, benefits, etc... I don't need a piece of paper that uses the word marriage. To me its just a word.
One thing Americans on both sides of the political spectrum need to learn to do is to stop so one sided and getting all upset when someone doesn't agree with there opinion. For example, If I were liberal (I am not) and disagreed with someone on the christian right I might say they were bigots cause they judge others, by doing so I would be a bigot myself for telling them they are wrong and my way is right.
I feel its best to let people have their own opinions and not judge them for them regardless if I agree or not as we live in a free society and should be able to state their opinion without judgement.

end of rant!
 
Plus a third bathroom opens up a huge chance of people being targeted. Who would willingly walk in to a bathroom created for a group so much of society still has such disdain for? I would be terrified- and how would you enforce it? I know if I was in that position I'd just go to the bathroom of the gender I identify with even if a third option was available...no way would I set myself up for someone to start shit with me because I "outed" myself.

Transgender people are the victims of hate crimes...a third bathroom would create a huge target for assholes.

Like someone else said- why don't gay people have their own bathrooms? Or sex offenders? Or people with a piss fetish? Because it's not necessary- the benefits wouldn't justify the inconvenience and the cost. Society can normally do a decent enough job of preventing things from escalating (and please understand that, aside from sex offenders, I'm not at all suggesting that these people are dangerous or perverted- I'm merely addressing concerns voiced by other people). Is someone in the next stall turned on by something? Possibly. But even in that super remote chance the chance of them acting on it is SO small because of the fear of being caught.

I believe that most people who oppose this are NOT afraid of transgender people being attackers, but that it could allow cisgender people to slip in unnoticed and attack people, and I really just don't see that being any more of a risk with these advancements than it has been all along.


(All of that sounded like I'm contradicting myself. If I believe that society polices itself well enough to avoid sexual attacks in bathrooms why do I bring up the chance of trans people being targeted as they walk out of a bathroom. Honestly, I don't have a good answer for that- just thinking out loud, I guess)
 
I will agree, that if a state employee, working in a state that allows gay unions, had a problem, they should find other work.

However in the case of private business, unless that business utilizes federal money to operate, they can serve our refuse to serve anyone for any reason. It's their decision.
Would it be okay for them to refuse business to men with scarred faces?
 
There is absolutely no more to gender than anatomy. Like I said, we're born XX or XY. Male or female.

No one has ever been born as a firetruck.

Sure, sometimes genes get messed up and hermaphrodites are born, but that is generally corrected just after birth.

That's not what is being discussed though. We're talking about people, who for whatever reason, decide to live as a member of the opposite sex.

There seems to be a lot more to gender than simply the XX or XY combination.

Does having a Y chromosome make someone a man? | Intersex Society of North America


Seeing a person wearing a dress, high heels & makeup in the men's room is less traumatic for children?

For decades, women brought their young sons into the ladies room or fathers brought their young daughters into a male rest room & none of the children were scarred for life. I doubt they'll be scarred by seeing people who look like the same sex they do using the same rest room now.
 
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