Archived Was I Just Disciplined? Coached?

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Hi, All -

Long story short is impossible - apologies in advance. Hired early October as a seasonal cashier. Within three weeks, was pulled to "cross train" in Guest Services. And, also given several new cashiers to "train." Guest Services cross-training was really comical - "Here is how to do a simple return, now good luck." Within another week, ALL of my hours are closing guest services shifts. I've done my best to learn the nuances and essentially train myself to handle whatever might arise at Guest Services. My "training" has been subject to many different opinions on many different ways to do things, and my job is generally micromanaged like crazy. I took the time to read the guest services manual, and I believe I know the proper way to conduct a return and myself while doing it.

Enter Guest Services. Day after Black Friday - worked overnight shift on Black Friday. Opened this morning - scheduled completely alone, mind you. It was like a bomb went off back there - stuff stuck everywhere; nothing sorted. Rotting food. Counters full of reshop. Horrendous. I'm exhausted and I suppose not as cheerful as I usually am or like to be. Just quiet and kind of doing my job.

My four thousandth guest arrives (she's about 70 years old) and throws two items down on the counter and pronounces that she was mischarged by about 50 cents for each item. She's literally growling about a sign that said they were priced lower than she was charged. I begin by looking at her receipt, pressing price inquiry to find out what the computer says, and then I simply agreed that the price she was charged was higher than this sign she saw said. I asked her where the sign was and what it said - trying to understand what she saw, without actually seeing it. She does not want to be questioned, and takes a pad out of her bag and writes my name down. She then tells me "I love writing nasty letters about horrible, argumentative employees like you." I tried to take her down to zero, but telling her that I wasn't trying to argue with her, I was just wanting to know more about the sign - (I was told that if something has rung up wrong, we needed to find out where it was and let that department know so that they could either take down the sign, or fix the computer.) She kept screaming about writing a letter, and then she wanted to see my manager - I agreed that if she wanted to write a letter, that was her perogative, and I immediately called over the walkie for a GSTL. In about a nano-second, the LOD appears beside the customer, who is still ranting. LOD escorts the guest off and I assume fixes her issue.

Ten minutes later, I am summoned to a meeting with the LOD and my GSTL who begin telling me that I was entirely rude to the guest - the LOD claimed to have watched the entire encounter - that I should not have questioned the guest about the sign. I explained where my question came from - my actual training. The pair then told me that I should not question 50 cents, that I should have just refunded her money with no questions asked. So I apologized and then my GSTL pipes in that guest services scores have been down, ironically since I began working there. I asked if I was the direct cause of that, and GSTL said, "I'm not saying that." Then, LOD says that I have had many complaints that I am abrasive, and that she didn't believe it until today. Okay, I thought. Then, GSTL chimes in that he has received numerous guest complaints, as well. Now, I'm confused, so I asked when he received those complaints - he and I have worked several closing shifts together. He said "I can't really remember."

Then, suddenly, the meeting was over, and I was free to go to lunch. As I walked past guest services (and the line that extended beyond the front lanes), I got a little peeved - not just because of the content of the conversation, but the lack of concrete details that accompanied some of the "feedback." Of course, the ETL who hired me and loves me (and put me at guest services) is off today, so I've got to suck it up . . . but, I can't help wondering,

WHAT JUST HAPPENED?

Honestly feel so bullied, abused, double-teamed on an already terrible day, which makes me feel even more exhausted and not myself. Feel like Guest Services has gone down the sh*tter since I came after this conversation. I'm feeling pretty funky . . . and alot like quitting. Input appreciated - please just don't tell me I'm abrasive. LOL.

Thanks all -
 
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DAMN!!!! Sorry that happened to you. But I'm so proud of you! Wish I had them ballz!!
 
For fifty cents, I wouldn't have even asked where the sign was. Nobody cares at this point. I would have done it and sent her on her way. Tensions run high today. All you can do is paste a smile on your face and look the other way if a TM gets a little crabby.

But it sounds like they weren't happy with you, anyway. Good luck with your future endeavors.
 
For fifty cents, I wouldn't have even asked where the sign was. Nobody cares at this point. I would have done it and sent her on her way. Tensions run high today. All you can do is paste a smile on your face and look the other way if a TM gets a little crabby.

But it sounds like they weren't happy with you, anyway. Good luck with your future endeavors.

Thanks for your feedback, Retail Girl - I'm not sure how you arrived at "sounds like they weren't happy with you, anyway." Please re-read my post - I hadn't even had a cup of coffee at Target before I was training other cashiers, and then cross-trained into Guest Services when a permanent team member left. I wasn't under the impression that my superiors were unhappy with me at all - quite the contrary. As for questioning 50 cents, I would not have questioned 50 cents had it not been something that was drilled into me by various GSTLs during my guest services training/stint(s). I wasn't questioning the guest's truth, and I wasn't going to decline her request to be reimbursed $1.00. I was merely trying to understand where the signage was - I was doing what I was instructed and re-instructed to do - find out where the "bad sign" was and let the TL in that department know that something was awry and needed to be fixed. It's a question that I ask every single time I encounter such a pricing problem because that is what I've been told to do, and for the reasons stated herein. I merely asked the guest where the sign was so that I could do that . . . as for looking the other way when a TM gets a little crabby, I recognize that. It was not the TM and my experience with her - it was my experience with the GSTL and LOD today that was troubling and bothersome. 50 cents from Target's pocket is not for me to sweat, but doing what I've been repeatedly told and then getting called out kind of gratuitously is really the crux of my question.
 
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Basically, at Guest Service it's less about a standard MO, and more about decision making.

If someone told me something was $0.50 cheaper than it rings up, I just change it. If they tell me it's $10 cheaper I check. Spot says $20, I think too many guests are aware of that so bullshit $10 and $15 price changes, so I check rather than just knocking $20 off items.

The exception is if they already purchased the items, I check regardless of the difference, but that's only because of my state's bounty law, ie. a $0.50 difference is actually $5.50, and if they're right that sign needs to come down immediately lest they get their $5 from the bounty and then get the wise idea to go back and do it again to get another $5.

ie. Guest could easily tell me it was $4.49, not $4.99, get $5.50 from me, then go grab the item again, and buy another from pharmacy or electronics where I'd not notice, and then hit me again for another $5.50, so I never give out bounties without checking beforehand and taking down the sign if they're correct.

My STL would tell me off for giving guests bounties without checking, she absolutely hates people that bounty to make a profit. On the flipside she'd be mighty pissed off at me if I upset a non-scamming guest over $0.50.
 
Wait so you quit because you got coached for one minor thing? Sure it sounds like they weren't being fair, but you can't go through life just immediately giving up when something shitty happens.

SFSFun - I appreciate your feedback, and I agree - you can't go through life immediately giving up on a dream or quitting school, or throwing in the towel just because you lost that big race you worked so hard to win but didn't. I disagree that everything in life is worth sticking with. Agreed - sometimes, when all things are considered, we've got to persevere and get past our egos to become better humans. Sometimes you CAN immediately walk away when something shitty happens. Sometimes, it is healthier and better to simply say "Um, no" What you read is but a snippet of my seasonal experience with Target "management practices." I've seen some pretty disrespectful behavior and some pretty inhumane behavior towards employees by low-to-mid level management in front of guests and other employees over a ringing mistake, or a bad personal day, or not getting enough red cards. I'm not 17. I work seasonally to meet people and enjoy them, and all I expect in return for working hard and trying to be a good employee is a little respect and maybe a little finesse in the management realm from such a corporate powerhouse as Target.
 
SFSFun - I appreciate your feedback, and I agree - you can't go through life immediately giving up on a dream or quitting school, or throwing in the towel just because you lost that big race you worked so hard to win but didn't. I disagree that everything in life is worth sticking with. Agreed - sometimes, when all things are considered, we've got to persevere and get past our egos to become better humans. Sometimes you CAN immediately walk away when something shitty happens. Sometimes, it is healthier and better to simply say "Um, no" What you read is but a snippet of my seasonal experience with Target "management practices." I've seen some pretty disrespectful behavior and some pretty inhumane behavior towards employees by low-to-mid level management in front of guests and other employees over a ringing mistake, or a bad personal day, or not getting enough red cards. I'm not 17. I work seasonally to meet people and enjoy them, and all I expect in return for working hard and trying to be a good employee is a little respect and maybe a little finesse in the management realm from such a corporate powerhouse as Target.


Sorry, my friend, if you are looking for respect and finesse from management you really came to the wrong place.
Now as usual ASANTS but the fact is most Target stores are run by young men and woman whose only management experience has been with Target, many coming straight from college.
Their personal life experience doesn't give them the time to develop the skills to show respect and most certainly not finesse.
 
We are in a bounty law state, which is why I suspect it has been such a point that was driven home with me. And, honestly, I appreciate that the guest has a right to be upset that they now have to stand in the Guest Service line to correct a mistake, but, if I'm doing what I was told to do, how is me asking that question being argumentative? I know tempers are high, and I appreciate that. I appreciate (now) that this guest did not like being asked that question. 99% of guests I've encountered with this problem simply just answer my pretty pat question. My problem is with the overkill taken by the GSTL and the LOD over what is essentially a store training problem - drag in a hard worker on a busy day, ream the worker and then go off on a side rant about things that you've just pulled out of the air so that said employee is now EXTREMELY upset for the rest of a busy Guest Services shift.
 
Commiecorvus, that was the most real answer yet - thank you, and you are spot on.
 
This might sound blunt, but if you were hired as a seasonal employee, you would have likely been let go after Christmas anyway. Spot doesn't keep all their seasonal hires, unless they show really great promise (we hire like 2 dozen and keep maybe 2 at the end of the season). So, you abruptly quitting probably didn't have much impact on the LOD/GSTL to really matter. They likely just got more upset and took it out on someone else (ripple effect). Throwing another newbie into the hole you left, untrained.

I'm not saying your actions weren't right/wrong. I don't know shit about GS. I do know that how they "coached" you was poorly done. Like their criticism of your job performance, they were doing theirs just as poorly. Still there was a reason they felt the need to coach you. So, disregarding how they coached you, take what they considered as best you can. Learn from it and grow. And remember, they're humans under pressure too. The timing was likely more a factor in how they coached you than anything else. Stress/Tension/Over worked, under rested... The reasons are numerous this time of year and especially this weekend.

Whatever you do next is your choice. If you actually did quit, then I wish you luck in finding a new job. If you haven't, learn from this somehow. Their criticism might have been harsh, but there must be something in there that merited it. Be aware of how you respond to guests. Be aware of the unconscious body language or tone you might have. People are sensitive. Talk with the TL you do get along with and try to learn more. If you really feel unfairly treated talk to the STL, another ETL/TL or even HR and voice your concerns.

Hope that wasn't too mean sounding, just trying to be realistic.
 
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I don't live in a bounty law state. So ain't nobody got time to go check every sign (especially this weekend) that a guest says is off by 50 cents. If I were to do that, they would laugh at me. Even when we put stuff through price challenge verification, the LOD doesn't bother to check it anymore...why? Because a good 90% of the time the guest is wrong, anyway. So that's why I wouldn't have questioned where the sign was. It takes too much time for something no one has time or cares to check anyway.

Now, on to the next part. First, if you were rude I meant that the TL should have cut you some slack because this weekend is hard on everyone. But here's the thing...the LOD who witnessed it didn't like how you came off. The GSTL and someone else said they didn't like how you came off. Something doesn't add up....they didn't think you were as wonderful with guests as you thought you were....yes, the coaching was handled badly, but clearly they had concerns.

In the end, it doesn't matter. You were one of seasonals throughout the country who either walked off in the middle of the shift or stopped showing up. We adjust. We move on. Believe me, they've replaced your shifts and moved on. Now you can, too.
 
Some of the complaints that your leadership team was referring to may have come from guest surveys. Some people like to use names in their comments. Any other complaints would be verbal and informal. Since you started out so good, your managers ignored the verbal complaints, with disbelief. But whatever you said to that angry guest that day, was not up to your LOD's standard. You weren't even written up though right? You were coached. A verbal coaching is like a slap on the wrist. Anyway, I'm sorry you had such a terrible experience with Target. That can happen sometimes with incapable management :( But it really seems like Target and you just don't get along very well lol.
 
Okay, if I'm understanding correctly, the LOD "witnessed" the entire interaction, but didn't actually step in until you called them? Bullshit. Sounds like a classic case of CYA to me.

I feel for you because I've been in similar situations with a former ETL/coworkers. You're nothing but a scapegoat. My former ETL would tell me to do something, and when it was wrong, say that she never told me to do it. I haye when people try and act like they've done nothing wrong when THEY are the ones who effed up!!!
 
I had that crap way too often! "management" if you can even call it that really does not like taking the team member's side it seems. If I were told they got many complaints from guests about me I would have asked "well why didn't you talk to me about them? why didn't you bring those to my attention?" as I am sure you can tell I have a lot of bottled up frustration!
 
Some of the complaints that your leadership team was referring to may have come from guest surveys. Some people like to use names in their comments. Any other complaints would be verbal and informal. Since you started out so good, your managers ignored the verbal complaints, with disbelief. But whatever you said to that angry guest that day, was not up to your LOD's standard. You weren't even written up though right? You were coached. A verbal coaching is like a slap on the wrist. Anyway, I'm sorry you had such a terrible experience with Target. That can happen sometimes with incapable management :( But it really seems like Target and you just don't get along very well lol.
Since they had nothing specific, who's to say that they were even about BuLife? Or maybe they were complaining that he simply did what he was supposed to and didn't give in to their demands? Hell, I had a guest complain that I wouldn't break the law for him....my DTL didn't care about the details of the complaint, she just cared that the guest wasn't happy with me!
 
Since they had nothing specific, who's to say that they were even about BuLife?
Well we don't know if they had anything specificly about the OP or not. We only know that they couldn't remember specific dates, which was because they ignored the complaints at first. They shouldn't have ignored the complaints, but instead should've notified the OP each time, so there would be no dispute when this situation came up.
 
I an very happy for you. I am very sorry that you had this experience, but I applaud you 1000%
My Dad used to say " Never lose your sense of righteous indignation"
I didn't know what he meant when I was young, but I sure undrrstand at 55. I can see this. happening at Target.
No one deserves to be treated like you were.
And the guest is not always right. What a horrible bitter "guest." Shame on her. There is never any excuse to be rude.
Happy Holidays to you and your family. I am sure that they will be better than if you had stayed at that awful store. I wish you the best.
 
Well we don't know if they had anything specificly about the OP or not. We only know that they couldn't remember specific dates, which was because they ignored the complaints at first. They shouldn't have ignored the complaints, but instead should've notified the OP each time, so there would be no dispute when this situation came up.
If they REALLY had THAT many complaints, I'm sure they would have been able to come up with ONE specific detail. The fact that they couldn't makes me believe that they were pulling stuff out of their asses. Not to mention the fact that the ETL would have also been privy to these "numerous" complaints & definitely would have seen the drop in the guest survey scores. It's just all too convenient that NONE of them have come to light until NOW. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put 2+2 together....

I say the OP should talk to the ETL & find out if there really HAVE been "numerous guest complaints" and/or a drop in guest survey scores before he does anything drastic. Maybe they're jealous because the OP seems like he's on the "fast track?" If he was hired as seasonal & is already training/working GS, maybe they feel threatened by him? Or, maybe I'm completely wrong & they really HAVE gotten numerous complaints, in which case, you're right, they should have done their jobs & corrected his behavior immediately.
 
I say the OP should talk to the ETL & find out if there really HAVE been "numerous guest complaints" and/or a drop in guest survey scores before he does anything drastic.
OP already quit.
 
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