Archived Ae2014

[IamLegendTGT]

Does anyone know if Pricing/Presentation TL will report to ETL salesfloor or ETL Logistics? In many Mid volumes that lone SF exec is now going to have the bulk of store's TLs report to them.

 

[bab5crusade]

Gray, your position will be eliminated by attrition most likely. Your position won't be eliminated until you go somewhere else. Unless your store decides to be cutthroat about it.

The way the things are with the company. They may go cutthroat if attrition is just too slow.

 

[Gray]

Gray, your position will be eliminated by attrition most likely. Your position won't be eliminated until you go somewhere else. Unless your store decides to be cutthroat about it.

I'm still not quite sure what they're referring to as "attrition". Are they expecting me to quit? Or accept a lesser position? Honestly, the major problem I have with this restructuring is my pay. Do I have to accept a pay cut and be led by someone I once referred to as a peer? It's degrading.

The way the things are with the company. They may go cutthroat if attrition is just too slow.

Cutthroat would be the worst scenario, to be sure.

 

[bab5crusade]

Cutthroat would be the worst scenario, to be sure.

But still a high possibility.

 

[Guest]

If Target wants to get rid of you, they will.

 

[commiecorvus]

Gray, your position will be eliminated by attrition most likely. Your position won't be eliminated until you go somewhere else. Unless your store decides to be cutthroat about it.

I'm still not quite sure what they're referring to as "attrition". Are they expecting me to quit? Or accept a lesser position? Honestly, the major problem I have with this restructuring is my pay. Do I have to accept a pay cut and be led by someone I once referred to as a peer? It's degrading.

The way the things are with the company. They may go cutthroat if attrition is just too slow.

Cutthroat would be the worst scenario, to be sure.

They have until September to get their numbers right.
If a TL leaves in that time they can just move you over and the problem is solved thus attrition.
If no one seems to be interested in moving on and in some areas of the county that wouldn't be surprising, they can get cutthroat.
But not by just dumping you.
You worked hard and sound like someone they want to keep.
And face it, you're new so you're getting paid less than some of the old timers.
They will take a look at who they think is producing the least and costing the most.
Suddenly that TL won't be able to do anything right and if they don't quit in disgust there will be enough paperwork to send them on their way.
And you will have a place.

Sorry to sound so jaded but I'm pretty sure that's the way it's going to work out.

 

[Harlock]

Does anyone know if Pricing/Presentation TL will report to ETL salesfloor or ETL Logistics? In many Mid volumes that lone SF exec is now going to have the bulk of store's TLs report to them.

I'm at an Org 2 store and the Pricing/Plano TL will report to ETL-Logistics.

 

[Cel]

Hello everyone, new poster and CTL here of an Org 1 store moving to Org 2. ULV store.

I have been told my position is being removed. We are over headcount, and are going from 12 TLs to 8.

I could not be less happy about this. Quick personal story: I worked my way up from Flow to CTL in a span of 2 years, and now hearing that all the hard work I've put in to make something of myself is all for naught is personally devastating.

Essentially, the writing is on the wall: 4 SrTLs, with one SrGSTL. They've completely removed the GSTL position in my store. I have no idea what to do next.

Do you work in my store? Pretty sure we're in the exact same boat, and I'm pretty close with my CTL and GSTLs (not so much the senior as she's new). It's a bad situation.

If you're closing tonight and your opener is the newly promoted GSA who did your order yesterday say hi 😉

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Your secret password should be hardlinesmaster...

 

[doxie71]

Org 4: 35-49 mil
4 ETL: ETL HR, ETL Sales floor, ETL GE, ETL log
10 TL: TL Flow, TL backroom/instocks, TL Pricing and presentation, TL sales floor(5), GSTl(2)

Org 5: 49-60 mil
6 ETL: ETL HR, ETL sales floor(2), etl sales floor ops, etl GE, etl Log overnight
14 TL: Tl flow(3), tl backroom/instocks, tl pricing, tl presentation, tl sales floor(6), GSTL(2)

Pretty sure my store is an Org 5, but not sure as we haven't even been open a full year yet. It is the model we most closely represent though. ETL HR, ETL HL, ETL SL, ETL AP, ETL GE, & ETL LOG
However we have one Flow TL. We only had 3 during the holidays. Our TLs are as follows:
1 Flow
1 BR/IS
1 Pricing
1 Presentation
3 HL
1 CTL
2 SL (1 SRTL)
2 GSTL (1 SRTL)
1 Food Ave
1 Starbucks

Does that mean we may not see many changes?

 

[BadWolf4531]

Org 3 is entitled to 8 TL. My store will be 2 GSTL, 1 Flow/BR/Instocks, 1 PA/Plano, and 4 "Salesfloor"

It makes sense they are keeping all the SFTL because they'll most likely need to be or become SrTLs in order to run LOD shifts since there will be an ETL cut as well.

I don't understand how from Org Chart 2 to Org Chart 3 you gain 3 more sales floor TLs....
Why couldn't it be TWO sales floor TLs in org chart 2.....

Actually, you only gain 2 more sales floor TLs. The third TL position is for a GSTL.

But if you think that's bad, take a look at the jump from Org 4 to Org 5! I'm assuming this has something to do with the Logistics process switching to overnight at the 49M mark? Seriously, though... 2 additional ETLs and 4 additional TLs.

I'd hate to be a store that's making 48 million...

 

[001275]

What about ETL Food?? Where does he fit in on the org charts?

 

[tbullseyet]

What about ETL Food?? Where does he fit in on the org charts?

Like HL and SL ETL, his/her position no longer exists. Salesfloor food goes to SF ETL and Cafe/Starbucks/Pizza Hut goes to ETL GE

 

[Rock Lobster]

Org 3 is entitled to 8 TL. My store will be 2 GSTL, 1 Flow/BR/Instocks, 1 PA/Plano, and 4 "Salesfloor"

It makes sense they are keeping all the SFTL because they'll most likely need to be or become SrTLs in order to run LOD shifts since there will be an ETL cut as well.

I don't understand how from Org Chart 2 to Org Chart 3 you gain 3 more sales floor TLs....
Why couldn't it be TWO sales floor TLs in org chart 2.....

Actually, you only gain 2 more sales floor TLs. The third TL position is for a GSTL.

But if you think that's bad, take a look at the jump from Org 4 to Org 5! I'm assuming this has something to do with the Logistics process switching to overnight at the 49M mark? Seriously, though... 2 additional ETLs and 4 additional TLs.

I'd hate to be a store that's making 48 million...

Haha I am in one of those! A majority of the extra TLs and ETLs goes to overnight logistics. They have been requiring an ETL and 2 TLs for every truck (which is usually one a night with some nights taking an FDC). They work rotations so therefore you need 2 ETLs and 4 TLs to cover every night. Then you have a Dayside Logistics TL as well. They are reducing this year to 1 ETL, 1 Senior (opposite rotations) and then two flow TLs on opposite rotations as well, each carrying keys to cover breaks but not LODs.

 

[GangulonCyst]

As for Plano taking on adjacencies, I think this will be accomplished by moving SL Brand TM's to the Plano team and basically having them continue to set adjacencies. I was told that plano is allocated hours based on setting the entire Adjacency calender themselves, but if so then why has every store I've ever worked in had SF TL's and TM's setting salesplanners and adjacencies???? Free labor for Plano team!!!! I agree with moving this workload to the Plano TL, as it should eliminate several people ordering shelves for new sets not knowing they were ordered by 3 others. Now as to the SF TL headcounts, I see an opportunity for AE15 if salesplanners and adjacencies are moved to Presentation TL. Some of these cuts are actually needed and beneficial. People who are performing should not be concerned. Those who are not meeting their current core roles or are unable/unwilling to blend into their new core roles successfully will likely exit the company by September. Target changes all the time, being resilient and adaptable is a core leadership dimension, and you wonder why??? AE is why!!!! Roll with the punches or get the boot!!!

 

[RhettB]

As for Plano taking on adjacencies, I think this will be accomplished by moving SL Brand TM's to the Plano team and basically having them continue to set adjacencies. I was told that plano is allocated hours based on setting the entire Adjacency calender themselves, but if so then why has every store I've ever worked in had SF TL's and TM's setting salesplanners and adjacencies???? Free labor for Plano team!!!! I agree with moving this workload to the Plano TL, as it should eliminate several people ordering shelves for new sets not knowing they were ordered by 3 others. Now as to the SF TL headcounts, I see an opportunity for AE15 if salesplanners and adjacencies are moved to Presentation TL. Some of these cuts are actually needed and beneficial. People who are performing should not be concerned. Those who are not meeting their current core roles or are unable/unwilling to blend into their new core roles successfully will likely exit the company by September. Target changes all the time, being resilient and adaptable is a core leadership dimension, and you wonder why??? AE is why!!!! Roll with the punches or get the boot!!!

This has been my argument. How can plano have so many hours they can give up hours to pricing for instance, but HL gets 20 hours for 238 salesplans. Seems that plano has too many hours to begin with.

 

[RedDog]

Have you ever noticed how every year they tell you these cuts will lead to more hours for team members then within a month you have less payroll than you did the year before. Just like when they said we will add P-fresh and the will add more hours to the store and instead the opposite proved true. And yet every year everyone desperately looks to that idea as silver lining only to be smacked in the face by the fact it never happens down the road. Honestly for what Target pays TLs being in charge of the entire sales floor is nuts. You could get more money with less responsibility in just about any other retail place. You have to ask yourself what kind of people are they going to be left with when all is said and done. I mean if you are good then why would stay? Target pays poorly, they cut benefits every year and every year your chance for advancement is reduced. If this is the way of things then Target is going to have nobody of any worth left in store leadership in the next few years.

 

[greydot]

Based on has happen with ae14, it reminds me of this thread. Very sad event.
http://www.thebreakroom.org/showthread.php/286-ae10-info-former-specialists?highlight=Ae10

except that at least with AE10 the demoted specs got to keep their pay, not the team leaders that demote now sadly.

The thing that bugs me about AE10 is that I still get stuff addressed to the "Signing Specialist" or references to it in instructions, etc. If they wanted to take away specialists, then why do they keep using that title?

i think i get more stuff addressed to the "signing manager" now than ever

 

[Rock Lobster]

As for Plano taking on adjacencies, I think this will be accomplished by moving SL Brand TM's to the Plano team and basically having them continue to set adjacencies. I was told that plano is allocated hours based on setting the entire Adjacency calender themselves, but if so then why has every store I've ever worked in had SF TL's and TM's setting salesplanners and adjacencies???? Free labor for Plano team!!!! I agree with moving this workload to the Plano TL, as it should eliminate several people ordering shelves for new sets not knowing they were ordered by 3 others. Now as to the SF TL headcounts, I see an opportunity for AE15 if salesplanners and adjacencies are moved to Presentation TL. Some of these cuts are actually needed and beneficial. People who are performing should not be concerned. Those who are not meeting their current core roles or are unable/unwilling to blend into their new core roles successfully will likely exit the company by September. Target changes all the time, being resilient and adaptable is a core leadership dimension, and you wonder why??? AE is why!!!! Roll with the punches or get the boot!!!

I believe all the hours from the adjacency calendar drop into Presentation automatically. The STL just always reallocates the hours into other workcenters depending on who is doing it what. It simply sounds like they will stop doing this, and leave all the hours in one place for one TL to handle.

 

[Ajax11]

I believe all the hours from the adjacency calendar drop into Presentation automatically. The STL just always reallocates the hours into other workcenters depending on who is doing it what. It simply sounds like they will stop doing this, and leave all the hours in one place for one TL to handle.

Actually it currently only drops the Presentation hours into max pre-distribution.

 

[stateoftarget11]

Does anyone know how AE14 impacts super Targets? Are they still going to have ETL-SL ETL-HL, etc? Or are they seeing positions consolidated into one as well?

 

[RhettB]

Does anyone know how AE14 impacts super Targets? Are they still going to have ETL-SL ETL-HL, etc? Or are they seeing positions consolidated into one as well?

There will be one ETL Salesfloor now. Market will also have 1 ETL for stores doing 45-60 Million.

 

[Jackofallglobes]

The good news about being "buddies" with the ETL that's leaving... She assured me that they are keeping me on. My position isn't being eliminated exactly, but they are moving people around to ensure the good people stay. I can think of about 3-4 that will be leaving. I was told it definitely won't be me, and they will still work on moving me up. Thank God. These bills don't pay themselves. It makes it a lot easier when you know you're not on the chopping block. Feeling awful for those that don't have such reassurance.

 

[Iheartplanograms]

I love the plano team changes mostly because I know it is going to drive my pog team lead insane. I have listened to him talk trash and put down my department (SL) for years. I consider this to be karma for his awful no teamwork attitude. Every store I have experience with has a clear divided line between HL and SL with both sides being lame stupid jerks. I hope this will get rid if some of that stupid crap nonsense. I'm sure folks will find something else to whine about but today I am happy.

 

[Logistics4Life]

As for Plano taking on adjacencies, I think this will be accomplished by moving SL Brand TM's to the Plano team and basically having them continue to set adjacencies. I was told that plano is allocated hours based on setting the entire Adjacency calender themselves, but if so then why has every store I've ever worked in had SF TL's and TM's setting salesplanners and adjacencies???? Free labor for Plano team!!!! I agree with moving this workload to the Plano TL, as it should eliminate several people ordering shelves for new sets not knowing they were ordered by 3 others. Now as to the SF TL headcounts, I see an opportunity for AE15 if salesplanners and adjacencies are moved to Presentation TL. Some of these cuts are actually needed and beneficial. People who are performing should not be concerned. Those who are not meeting their current core roles or are unable/unwilling to blend into their new core roles successfully will likely exit the company by September. Target changes all the time, being resilient and adaptable is a core leadership dimension, and you wonder why??? AE is why!!!! Roll with the punches or get the boot!!!

This has been my argument. How can plano have so many hours they can give up hours to pricing for instance, but HL gets 20 hours for 238 salesplans. Seems that plano has too many hours to begin with.

... What? Plano has "too many hours to begin with?" I'd love to work at that store. My POG hours come from the Adjacency hours where they combine Home Planograms and Revisions, then subtract 15 hours. And my signing team member gets 16 hours. The Adjacency hours are under "Softlines" in the Adjacency Calendar and we allocate "Softlines" hours for that, along with whatever hours our Softlines TL works. And the ETLs are out there doing salesplanners with the SFTLs (you have to be hands-on in ULV), as well as smart-huddling them to my teams. All this talk about the POG TL getting the hours now to do salesplanners? I haven't been getting and adequate number of payroll hours to do my workload in the two years I've been in position YET so I don't foresee that changing. This change is great for the salesfloor, and I get that, but it sure sucks ass if you're a POG TL. 😛