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All the wealth is concentrating towards the top. Taxation is a form of wealth redistribution because income inequality will make people riot like a mother. Correlation does equal causation
-you get paid what you're worth
if you're making 9/hr at 30 years old you're probably not worth much, no offense
Or the economy has crashed in your area, the work you did has been sent to another country, you need to feed your kids, and it's all that's out there.
Don't frelling judge people if you don't know all the facts.
that could be true in some cases, but at my target I see far too many people in their 20's and 30's and far too little motivation and drive
-you get paid what you're worth
if you're making 9/hr at 30 years old you're probably not worth much, no offense
Or the economy has crashed in your area, the work you did has been sent to another country, you need to feed your kids, and it's all that's out there.
Don't frelling judge people if you don't know all the facts.
that could be true in some cases, but at my target I see far too many people in their 20's and 30's and far too little motivation and drive
Of course, many people get the raises they deserve, and I am aware that Spot is not a charity organization, it is a for-profit business, and how...
So many threads have already covered the issues of corporate plundering, the shifting sands of the retail industry, the U.S. economy, etc., that I will not go off on a rant about that.
All I can say on my own behalf about all this is that as a very, very uneducated person myself who has, frankly, made several poor life choices that affect me even to this day, the results I am getting are about what I can expect.
Do I "deserve" them? well, of course I say "no", but I don't know that I'm the judge of what anyone really "deserves".
What I do every day at work would not be considered by most to be either a back-breaker or a brain-buster.
But I KNOW that what I offer and deliver as a worker is indeed worth a living wage. Is a nice even ten an hour REALLY so much to ask for when the fruits of my labor currently wonn't pay half my bills, yet manage to subsidize yet another summer home for some dude in Minnesota who already has more money than he likely knows what to do with?
^This.i HATE how every year Target solicits donations from their TM's for United Way. It's absolutely disgusting!! Then Target can pout their chests and tell the media.. "blah blah TARGET donated x-millions of dollars to charity!" (while writing it all off on taxes) and the TM's get NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in return for it. TM's make NO money to start, are probably on some type of gov assistance because the slavery-level wages they pay their TM's don't allow them to be self-sufficient. So then Target pays less taxes (due to charity "donations"), and TM's collect welfare from the gov.. so to a certain extent, WE (tax payers) PAY FOR WHAT TARGET should be responsible for paying (a LIVABLE WAGE..) for their TM's. IDK, I just think it's outrageous that Target doesn't do something that BENEFITS their TM's (The people who MAKE Target what it is)... they should be ashamed.
Of course, many people get the raises they deserve, and I am aware that Spot is not a charity organization, it is a for-profit business, and how...
So many threads have already covered the issues of corporate plundering, the shifting sands of the retail industry, the U.S. economy, etc., that I will not go off on a rant about that.
All I can say on my own behalf about all this is that as a very, very uneducated person myself who has, frankly, made several poor life choices that affect me even to this day, the results I am getting are about what I can expect.
Do I "deserve" them? well, of course I say "no", but I don't know that I'm the judge of what anyone really "deserves".
What I do every day at work would not be considered by most to be either a back-breaker or a brain-buster.
But I KNOW that what I offer and deliver as a worker is indeed worth a living wage. Is a nice even ten an hour REALLY so much to ask for when the fruits of my labor currently wonn't pay half my bills, yet manage to subsidize yet another summer home for some dude in Minnesota who already has more money than he likely knows what to do with?
I agree completely.
Don't get me wrong, I think educated people should get good jobs, but not everyone has gone to college etc.
People in lower end jobs should still be able to make a decent wage and make at LEAST $25k/year. That's not asking a whole lot!
What I don't agree with is that there are people making sums of money far greater than they need (and end up sitting on a mountain of cash). Why do people need salaries over $250k/year? **** after 100k/year you can live a pretty damn lavish life style.
I would never WANT that much money. I don't know how any person with a conscience could.
Of course, many people get the raises they deserve, and I am aware that Spot is not a charity organization, it is a for-profit business, and how...
So many threads have already covered the issues of corporate plundering, the shifting sands of the retail industry, the U.S. economy, etc., that I will not go off on a rant about that.
All I can say on my own behalf about all this is that as a very, very uneducated person myself who has, frankly, made several poor life choices that affect me even to this day, the results I am getting are about what I can expect.
Do I "deserve" them? well, of course I say "no", but I don't know that I'm the judge of what anyone really "deserves".
What I do every day at work would not be considered by most to be either a back-breaker or a brain-buster.
But I KNOW that what I offer and deliver as a worker is indeed worth a living wage. Is a nice even ten an hour REALLY so much to ask for when the fruits of my labor currently wonn't pay half my bills, yet manage to subsidize yet another summer home for some dude in Minnesota who already has more money than he likely knows what to do with?
I agree completely.
Don't get me wrong, I think educated people should get good jobs, but not everyone has gone to college etc.
People in lower end jobs should still be able to make a decent wage and make at LEAST $25k/year. That's not asking a whole lot!
What I don't agree with is that there are people making sums of money far greater than they need (and end up sitting on a mountain of cash). Why do people need salaries over $250k/year? **** after 100k/year you can live a pretty damn lavish life style.
I would never WANT that much money. I don't know how any person with a conscience could.
Are you so arrogant that you actually believe you know what people need? Really? So if they offered you $150k a year, you'd refuse? And don't forget the tax rate on $100k is probably 33% so you won't actually get $100k.
Are you really young or really naive? I don't mean to insult you (or 16 year olds), but you sound like an idealistic 16 year old.
Of course, many people get the raises they deserve, and I am aware that Spot is not a charity organization, it is a for-profit business, and how...
So many threads have already covered the issues of corporate plundering, the shifting sands of the retail industry, the U.S. economy, etc., that I will not go off on a rant about that.
All I can say on my own behalf about all this is that as a very, very uneducated person myself who has, frankly, made several poor life choices that affect me even to this day, the results I am getting are about what I can expect.
Do I "deserve" them? well, of course I say "no", but I don't know that I'm the judge of what anyone really "deserves".
What I do every day at work would not be considered by most to be either a back-breaker or a brain-buster.
But I KNOW that what I offer and deliver as a worker is indeed worth a living wage. Is a nice even ten an hour REALLY so much to ask for when the fruits of my labor currently wonn't pay half my bills, yet manage to subsidize yet another summer home for some dude in Minnesota who already has more money than he likely knows what to do with?
I agree completely.
Don't get me wrong, I think educated people should get good jobs, but not everyone has gone to college etc.
People in lower end jobs should still be able to make a decent wage and make at LEAST $25k/year. That's not asking a whole lot!
What I don't agree with is that there are people making sums of money far greater than they need (and end up sitting on a mountain of cash). Why do people need salaries over $250k/year? **** after 100k/year you can live a pretty damn lavish life style.
I would never WANT that much money. I don't know how any person with a conscience could.
Are you so arrogant that you actually believe you know what people need? Really? So if they offered you $150k a year, you'd refuse? And don't forget the tax rate on $100k is probably 33% so you won't actually get $100k.
Are you really young or really naive? I don't mean to insult you (or 16 year olds), but you sound like an idealistic 16 year old.
I doubt I'd be making 150k in any job. But if I was making that much I'd at least try to make good use of the money in one way or another, like donation. Or helping a poor kid get through college. Honestly I'd rather see my wealth redistributed properly to workers at the bottom who need it more.
Now this might sound like communism but let me state that I still think there needs to be incentive for people to be doctors, etc. and make a good yearly income. I am not proposing that everyone should make the same! But there needs to be a point where people are just making gluttonous amounts of money. If the workers on the bottom (full time mind you), are working below the poverty line, change needs to happen.
Apparently you think the status quo is fine, as I can see why you would call me naive. Fact of the matter is that workers in America are getting screwed for the benefit of the top 1%. Unless someone has made extremely poor fiscal decisions, or has 6 kids, please tell me why someone would need more than 150k a year? Lol.[/QUOTE
There are lots of reasons that one could "need" more than $150k a year. Maybe if your parents had made more, you'd be living a more comfortable life now, with a good education that they could have helped provide. But you're right, no one needs $150k. No one "needs" anything more than a tent and a few chickens. Food and shelter are the only necessities. But it certainly isn't up to you to decide who needs what and how much of it.
Of course, many people get the raises they deserve, and I am aware that Spot is not a charity organization, it is a for-profit business, and how...
So many threads have already covered the issues of corporate plundering, the shifting sands of the retail industry, the U.S. economy, etc., that I will not go off on a rant about that.
All I can say on my own behalf about all this is that as a very, very uneducated person myself who has, frankly, made several poor life choices that affect me even to this day, the results I am getting are about what I can expect.
Do I "deserve" them? well, of course I say "no", but I don't know that I'm the judge of what anyone really "deserves".
What I do every day at work would not be considered by most to be either a back-breaker or a brain-buster.
But I KNOW that what I offer and deliver as a worker is indeed worth a living wage. Is a nice even ten an hour REALLY so much to ask for when the fruits of my labor currently wonn't pay half my bills, yet manage to subsidize yet another summer home for some dude in Minnesota who already has more money than he likely knows what to do with?
I agree completely.
Don't get me wrong, I think educated people should get good jobs, but not everyone has gone to college etc.
People in lower end jobs should still be able to make a decent wage and make at LEAST $25k/year. That's not asking a whole lot!
What I don't agree with is that there are people making sums of money far greater than they need (and end up sitting on a mountain of cash). Why do people need salaries over $250k/year? **** after 100k/year you can live a pretty damn lavish life style.
I would never WANT that much money. I don't know how any person with a conscience could.
Are you so arrogant that you actually believe you know what people need? Really? So if they offered you $150k a year, you'd refuse? And don't forget the tax rate on $100k is probably 33% so you won't actually get $100k.
Are you really young or really naive? I don't mean to insult you (or 16 year olds), but you sound like an idealistic 16 year old.
I doubt I'd be making 150k in any job. But if I was making that much I'd at least try to make good use of the money in one way or another, like donation. Or helping a poor kid get through college. Honestly I'd rather see my wealth redistributed properly to workers at the bottom who need it more.
Now this might sound like communism but let me state that I still think there needs to be incentive for people to be doctors, etc. and make a good yearly income. I am not proposing that everyone should make the same! But there needs to be a point where people are just making gluttonous amounts of money. If the workers on the bottom (full time mind you), are working below the poverty line, change needs to happen.
Apparently you think the status quo is fine, as I can see why you would call me naive. Fact of the matter is that workers in America are getting screwed for the benefit of the top 1%. Unless someone has made extremely poor fiscal decisions, or has 6 kids, please tell me why someone would need more than 150k a year? Lol.[/QUOTE
There are lots of reasons that one could "need" more than $150k a year. Maybe if your parents had made more, you'd be living a more comfortable life now, with a good education that they could have helped provide. But you're right, no one needs $150k. No one "needs" anything more than a tent and a few chickens. Food and shelter are the only necessities. But it certainly isn't up to you to decide who needs what and how much of it.
Actually I grew up with a single working mom who only made an average salary. When I was younger we were actually on food stamps. Despite all this I had (and still have) a rather comfortable life. I did get a good college education as well.
Also I find it hilarious that you describe less than 150k/year as a tent and a few chickens. Rofl.
You're right, it's not up to ME to decide, but rather the majority. So obviously you're against livable wages for YOUR subordinates, but I doubt you're going to find much sympathy here.
Some individual states have raised their minimum wage, 9 states have done raised their wage and 3 others are fighting about it.
Chris Christie Gov. of NJ vetoed a raise and New York's Andrew Cu0m0 is working to raise theirs to $8.75.
Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., introduced the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2012 in July.
The bill proposed a federal minimum wage increase to $9.80 over three years and annual cost-of-living adjustments to keep the minimum wage from falling behind and eroding in value.
Of course the Elephants killed it.
No date has been set as to when the bill will be reintroduced.
Some individual states have raised their minimum wage, 9 states have done raised their wage and 3 others are fighting about it.
Chris Christie Gov. of NJ vetoed a raise and New York's Andrew Cu0m0 is working to raise theirs to $8.75.
Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., introduced the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2012 in July.
The bill proposed a federal minimum wage increase to $9.80 over three years and annual cost-of-living adjustments to keep the minimum wage from falling behind and eroding in value.
Of course the Elephants killed it.
No date has been set as to when the bill will be reintroduced.
Hey commie, did NY pass the increase? My boss at my other job was saying something about it yesterday and his wording made it sound like it was for sure going to happen.
Of course, many people get the raises they deserve, and I am aware that Spot is not a charity organization, it is a for-profit business, and how...
So many threads have already covered the issues of corporate plundering, the shifting sands of the retail industry, the U.S. economy, etc., that I will not go off on a rant about that.
All I can say on my own behalf about all this is that as a very, very uneducated person myself who has, frankly, made several poor life choices that affect me even to this day, the results I am getting are about what I can expect.
Do I "deserve" them? well, of course I say "no", but I don't know that I'm the judge of what anyone really "deserves".
What I do every day at work would not be considered by most to be either a back-breaker or a brain-buster.
But I KNOW that what I offer and deliver as a worker is indeed worth a living wage. Is a nice even ten an hour REALLY so much to ask for when the fruits of my labor currently wonn't pay half my bills, yet manage to subsidize yet another summer home for some dude in Minnesota who already has more money than he likely knows what to do with?
I agree completely.
Don't get me wrong, I think educated people should get good jobs, but not everyone has gone to college etc.
People in lower end jobs should still be able to make a decent wage and make at LEAST $25k/year. That's not asking a whole lot!
What I don't agree with is that there are people making sums of money far greater than they need (and end up sitting on a mountain of cash). Why do people need salaries over $250k/year? **** after 100k/year you can live a pretty damn lavish life style.
I would never WANT that much money. I don't know how any person with a conscience could.
Are you so arrogant that you actually believe you know what people need? Really? So if they offered you $150k a year, you'd refuse? And don't forget the tax rate on $100k is probably 33% so you won't actually get $100k.
Are you really young or really naive? I don't mean to insult you (or 16 year olds), but you sound like an idealistic 16 year old.
I doubt I'd be making 150k in any job. But if I was making that much I'd at least try to make good use of the money in one way or another, like donation. Or helping a poor kid get through college. Honestly I'd rather see my wealth redistributed properly to workers at the bottom who need it more.
Now this might sound like communism but let me state that I still think there needs to be incentive for people to be doctors, etc. and make a good yearly income. I am not proposing that everyone should make the same! But there needs to be a point where people are just making gluttonous amounts of money. If the workers on the bottom (full time mind you), are working below the poverty line, change needs to happen.
Apparently you think the status quo is fine, as I can see why you would call me naive. Fact of the matter is that workers in America are getting screwed for the benefit of the top 1%. Unless someone has made extremely poor fiscal decisions, or has 6 kids, please tell me why someone would need more than 150k a year? Lol.[/QUOTE
There are lots of reasons that one could "need" more than $150k a year. Maybe if your parents had made more, you'd be living a more comfortable life now, with a good education that they could have helped provide. But you're right, no one needs $150k. No one "needs" anything more than a tent and a few chickens. Food and shelter are the only necessities. But it certainly isn't up to you to decide who needs what and how much of it.
Actually I grew up with a single working mom who only made an average salary. When I was younger we were actually on food stamps. Despite all this I had (and still have) a rather comfortable life. I did get a good college education as well.
Also I find it hilarious that you describe less than 150k/year as a tent and a few chickens. Rofl.
You're right, it's not up to ME to decide, but rather the majority. So obviously you're against livable wages for YOUR subordinates, but I doubt you're going to find much sympathy here.
I never said that less than 150k/year is a tent and a few chickens. Nor did I say that I'm against livable wages for anyone. And it seems to me that you are the one looking for sympathy. You have no idea what I live on and you have no idea what I do with the money I make. Remember, I'm a TL at Target - not making $150k/year, but I certainly don't begrudge anyone who does.
I have never had a problem with people getting rich especially when they did it by bringing positive change to the world.
What I have serious issues with are the people who make their fortunes by stripping companies, sending the jobs to other countries, making shady investments and buying the government so they can make sure they don't have to pay their fair share.
We haven't had the kind of income disparity that have now since the 1900's.
My mom used to say that life isn't fair so people have to be.
If you look to the 1950's country became one of the most powerful, amazing places to live by having strong unions, heavy taxes on the rich and investment in infrastructure.
Yes, there were also serious social issues as well, I'd argue that those changes improved the economy.
Some individual states have raised their minimum wage, 9 states have done raised their wage and 3 others are fighting about it.
Chris Christie Gov. of NJ vetoed a raise and New York's Andrew Cu0m0 is working to raise theirs to $8.75.
Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, and Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., introduced the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2012 in July.
The bill proposed a federal minimum wage increase to $9.80 over three years and annual cost-of-living adjustments to keep the minimum wage from falling behind and eroding in value.
Of course the Elephants killed it.
No date has been set as to when the bill will be reintroduced.
Hey commie, did NY pass the increase? My boss at my other job was saying something about it yesterday and his wording made it sound like it was for sure going to happen.
Yep, It's going to $8.00 this year, $8.75 next year and $9.00 the year after.