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Well, I'm not implying that true, but if asked one to pull cafs and get it done on time, it'd probably go very bad. On the other hand, any BR can grab carts. It's a universal skill and something most people already do when they go shopping anyway.
 
Mhugh220 said:
Get over corporate spending. You'll never see a dime of it and things won't change. TMs will never make more than their worth. The job requires zero highly sought after qualifications (degree, certification, hard to find experience, etc). It's a running joke that the only qualification is a pulse, sorry!

Congratulations 30 year TM on making the bottom a lifelong goal. It took you that long to reach a semi decent pay when you could have been there decades ago.

The money isn't wasted on raises. Raises are necessary. The concern is about capping salaries and understanding %. The average raise is 1-5% based on performance, not just at Target. Salary caps are made to control spending / set org charts. Without caps you'd have TMs potentially making ETL pay (after 30 years of work). To maintain profitability and keep costs down for guests, they set org charts and salary caps to determine staffing at full capacity. This way they can guess how much overhead they have.

It's wasting money to have 20 TMs making $30 an hour or 5 ETLs making DTL pay. They won't just create new positions, they'll cut positions to make up the difference, which they do each year. If they do it now that means they already think they're paying you more than the position worth. Doesn't mean that's a fair evaluation.

So to recap $16 an hour with a 1% raise is $.16. That should be your expectation with an IE review, not a $1.00 raise. Just as I don't expect to get a $8000 yearly raise ( 10%) without a promotion or title change.
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While I do understand the Costco has a slightly different business model why is it that their boss seems to think the employees are 'worth' so much more than Target does?
How is it that a cashier there can be given consistent cost of living raises rather than pennies?
That the guy who puts your groceries in a box can be making $18.00 an hour?
The fifty buck membership fee isn't covering that.

The fact that they have an incredibly low turnover and very high employee loyalty rate might be part of their success story.
And as I mentioned before the fact that there isn't a huge discrepancy between the workers pay and the CEO might also help.
This is a company that not only doesn't seem to mind of their workers want to organize, they try to share their good fortune.
 
Mhugh220 said:
Get over corporate spending. You'll never see a dime of it and things won't change. TMs will never make more than their worth. The job requires zero highly sought after qualifications (degree, certification, hard to find experience, etc). It's a running joke that the only qualification is a pulse, sorry!

Congratulations 30 year TM on making the bottom a lifelong goal. It took you that long to reach a semi decent pay when you could have been there decades ago.

The money isn't wasted on raises. Raises are necessary. The concern is about capping salaries and understanding %. The average raise is 1-5% based on performance, not just at Target. Salary caps are made to control spending / set org charts. Without caps you'd have TMs potentially making ETL pay (after 30 years of work). To maintain profitability and keep costs down for guests, they set org charts and salary caps to determine staffing at full capacity. This way they can guess how much overhead they have.

It's wasting money to have 20 TMs making $30 an hour or 5 ETLs making DTL pay. They won't just create new positions, they'll cut positions to make up the difference, which they do each year. If they do it now that means they already think they're paying you more than the position worth. Doesn't mean that's a fair evaluation.

So to recap $16 an hour with a 1% raise is $.16. That should be your expectation with an IE review, not a $1.00 raise. Just as I don't expect to get a $8000 yearly raise ( 10%) without a promotion or title change.
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So why is winco able to make career employees that have over 1 million in retirement stocks each? As commie mentioned, costco is also able to turn a profit without being horrible to their workers. It really comes down to whether the company wants to play capitalism as a team sport or whether they want to horde all the money they can get. Your contempt for that team member shows a lot about your character. You'd make a good CEO.
 
PinkZinnia said:
I have gotten outstanding. Don't hate me.
I asked them if I was so perfect that I didn't have anywhere to improve myself? The only answer I got was - oh, as she looked at the paper.
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PinkZinnia said:
I have gotten outstanding. Don't hate me.
I asked them if I was so perfect that I didn't have anywhere to improve myself? The only answer I got was - oh, as she looked at the paper.
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The problem with even having this "outstanding" option to dole out to 1 or 2 lucky winners is that it is probably a guarantee that your subsequent reviews are going to show that you have moved down a level to "EX" or if there are too many TMs who they have to award "EX's" to - then you'll be chosen to get the mere "E."

As long as they pre-determine the number of employees that can receive in each category, the whole system is rather pointless & useless. The time & money wasted drawing up these silly yearly "reviews" would be better spent on something that has an actual impact on the business and hopefully the employees as well.

Call an employee in and let them know what raise they are getting (or not getting) and let them know if they are doing a good job but for God's sake stop with the meaningless "grade" system.

It's an embarrassment for TLs to even have to report the comedic & fictionalized excuses they are forced to concoct for corporate's benefit. And it's uncomfortable for TMs to have to sit through this mockery of a "review."
 
Do you actually know anyone who works for Costco or are you just reading on the internet?

I know two people who work for Costco. One was a part time cart attendant for two years until he was finally got hired on as a bakery assistant (he's actually a trained baker), still part time, and still doesn't qualify for those great benefits or high pay. The other works in the cash office. She's satisfied with part time and her husband has good benefits with his job so it doesn't matter that she's worked there for eight years without benefits.

They have the same gripes as Target team members. Not enough hours, working holidays and weekends. Supervisors who are only concerned with their personal development and no one else.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
 
RedMan said:
Do you actually know anyone who works for Costco or are you just reading on the internet?

I know two people who work for Costco. One was a part time cart attendant for two years until he was finally got hired on as a bakery assistant (he's actually a trained baker), still part time, and still doesn't qualify for those great benefits or high pay. The other works in the cash office. She's satisfied with part time and her husband has good benefits with his job so it doesn't matter that she's worked there for eight years without benefits.

They have the same gripes as Target team members. Not enough hours, working holidays and weekends. Supervisors who are only concerned with their personal development and no one else.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
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Yes, I do know people who work there.
Yes, Costco is not 'perfect'.
It is retail after all.

One is a cashier who has been working there for nine years and is full time.
She's making enough to make her house and car payments as a single mom with a junior high kid (damn I'm getting old) with her ex not kicking in one damned dime.
She has real insurance and pays a minimal amount for it.

Yes , she works weekends but they were closed on Thanksgiving.
It's a hard place to get a job at, especially the full time positions because people don't quit.
Remember what I said about employee loyalty?
 
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commiecorvus said:
Yes, I do know people who work there.
Yes, Costco is not 'perfect'.
It is retail after all.

One is a cashier who has been working there for nine years and is full time.
She's making enough to make her house and car payments as a single mom with a junior high kid (damn I'm getting old) with her ex not kicking in one damned dime.
She has real insurance and pays a minimal amount for it.

Yes , she works weekends but they were closed on Thanksgiving.
It's a hard place to get a job at, especially the full time positions because people don't quit.
Remember what I said about employee loyalty?
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I have 3 friends who work at Costco & love it. 1 of them is a cashier & making over 50k, a year.
 
The reviews are a joke. Just tell me I'm a piece of shit and how much the raise is if I'm going to get one. If not, I don't give a fuck about anything from the review except the dollar amount.
 
When I was looking for a part time job 25 years ago I applies to the new costco that was opening in my area. I had never heard of the place at the time.
The construction wasn't completed and the person who was doing the interview was conducting them at Howard Johnson's. - in his bedroom.

It made me uneasy and all I thought about through the interview was - this is a really weird place to do an interview.

He called me 2 days later to hire me, but I turned the job down. Maybe I should have taken the job.
 
PinkZinnia said:
When I was looking for a part time job 25 years ago I applies to the new costco that was opening in my area. I had never heard of the place at the time.
The construction wasn't completed and the person who was doing the interview was conducting them at Howard Johnson's. - in his bedroom.

It made me uneasy and all I thought about through the interview was - this is a really weird place to do an interview.

He called me 2 days later to hire me, but I turned the job down. Maybe I should have taken the job.
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That could have been a much different path you headed down. I agree though, that's a weird place to do an interview, he could have at least taken it to the lobby or a nearby coffee shop or something. Doesn't do too much good to think about or regret those decisions though, as there is no way to change them now.
 
I'm not really regretting it because I had a great run in the 90's , but sadly do to personal crap and lovely Obamacare, it's brought me to this stage of my life.
 
Costco's business model is everything. First $50 and $100 membership fees - thats free money just to be allowed to shop there. Let's say they have a million customers, low balling here. That's $50 million+ a year of free money without selling a single item. Thats more than Target set aside for 17,000 Canadian TMs and Costco makes that annually.

Second, less overhead. There are way less Costcos than Targets. We have about 3 Targets per Costco around the DC area. That's a lot of money wasted in facility maintenance, rent, and utilities. It also takes less employees to run a Costco.

Third - store structure. Costco is a large backroom where customers are also allowed to shop. Zoning is easy, restocking is just replacing the pallet, and the logistics process is simple. Simplicity allows for less employees to maintain function. Stocking a Costco would be a dream for Logs. Just put the pallet on the floor or on the shelf - simple

Fourth - buy in bulk. Costco saves tons by buying in large quantities. It also forces customers to buy in bulk. Need 5 lbs of potatoes? Youll need to buy 20lbs- which costs us the same as Target pays for a 5lb bag but we'll sell that bag at a slightly higher margin. Customers are forced to buy more than actually needed. Target can't do that. Ketchup at Cosco is $7. Ketchup at Target is $3.50. Both are the same wholesale price but Costco makes more on it.

Fifth - Costco's ordering. They only order in demand products and regular products are only those that have proven to be profitable. Target loses a lot on Clearence items. Costco's inventory rotates more often and each store carries different, specialized products.

Zero contempt for TMs here. I didn't respect that position until I was an ETL. I was a Sales floor TM once. I hated it then and didnt have the respect I have for it now. Instead of groveling at the bottom I sent myself to school, got in debt, and joined the military.

I respect TMs but I don't sympathize for them. I don't live a fantasy where worker ants make more than a queen. I don't understand making general retail grunt a career. I was given equal opportunities to advance. I knew to make more I had to do more. We aren't a socialist society. We aren't handed money. We have our place and if you want to advance you need to be innovative and carve your own path or play the game.

Want better pay? Get another job. Want better pay for retail? Apply to Costco. But the job or employer doesn't change your personality. If you sulk for years as a TM you'll find something to sulk about with the next employer.

People earn their living, it's not given to them. If you wasted your life stocking shelves you earned the pay of TM not anything more. If you have a handicap it's different - not included in this thought. If you're not handicap then shame on you for complaining about what you don't have. Join the military, get in debt and go to college. Learn a skill or find a job that teaches you something that earns respect.

Good luck!
 
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Mhugh220 said:
Basically if you don't understand why Costco pays better then you never will.
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You make some good points.
However since Target's profits for 2012 (granted it's dropped a lot these past couple of years) was in the neighborhood of 20 billion while Costco only hit 617 million there is something wrong with this picture.

You have one company that is perfectly fine with allowing their people organizing while the other will close down a store and break federal labor laws to stop it.
You have one company that makes sure to keep a reasonable difference between what it pays its lowest worker and the CEO while the other gives a golden parachute that is the same as the trust fund for the workers of an entire country.

There was a time when Target paid their TMs better and gave regular hours.
Then they decided they had to follow the Walmart business model because after all that's the only way to do business doncha know.
Instead of thinking outside of the box and coming up with a way of treating their employees better they went with the disposable TM format.

There are better ways of taking care of business.
To say that doing that smacks of socialism avoids any attempt at improving capitalism.
It doesn't have to be a Ferengi system of eat the weak.
Companies can reward people for loyalty at all levels and still make money.
 
Targets in my area (which is 2 districts in the city and another that borders us) are having trouble hiring any, let alone good, workers at the wage they pay. It wouldn't hurt Target to take somethings from Costco's model. Employees that are paid well are likely to be more happy, loyal, and usually more productive. We have some pretty lazy people at my store that get hardly anything done because that's all our store has to pick from applicants. You get what you pay for.
 
When I think of how much it costs for Target to hire/train a team member (an HRTM told me it ran about $1500 for drug test, background check, orientation, etc) & the amount of turnover vs giving a little more pay, perks & respect so you have very little turnover, all I can see is the waste.
Sure, if you don't like this job/pay you can improve yourself but college/trade schools cost money.
The past generations have been raised to believe that a college degree is the ticket to a better life but the dirty little secret is that not every kid is college material & - even if you get a degree - you're not guaranteed your dream job without planning & hard work.
Even now, there are trades that pay well because there's not enough people going into them.
Why? Because most of it's manual labor. It's dirty, hard work & you don't get to sit in an air-conditioned office facebooking while trying to decide where you're going for lunch.
 
redeye58 said:
When I think of how much it costs for Target to hire/train a team member (an HRTM told me it ran about $1500 for drug test, background check, orientation, etc) & the amount of turnover vs giving a little more pay, perks & respect so you have very little turnover, all I can see is the waste.
Sure, if you don't like this job/pay you can improve yourself but college/trade schools cost money.
The past generations have been raised to believe that a college degree is the ticket to a better life but the dirty little secret is that not every kid is college material & - even if you get a degree - you're not guaranteed your dream job without planning & hard work.
Even now, there are trades that pay well because there's not enough people going into them.
Why? Because most of it's manual labor. It's dirty, hard work & you don't get to sit in an air-conditioned office facebooking while trying to decide where you're going for lunch.
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I was told our seasonal TM don't get drug testing and such anymore. Too many failed drug test, and we almost didnt have a seasonal crew
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Jeremy said:
I was told our seasonal TM don't get drug testing and such anymore. Too many failed drug test, and we almost didnt have a seasonal crew
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Yup. Corporate did away with drug testing for seasonal hires just this year. Some stores get around that by ordering a test as soon as they get hired on the basis of "exhibited suspect behaviors" but not many.
 
Jeremy said:
I was told our seasonal TM don't get drug testing and such anymore. Too many failed drug test, and we almost didnt have a seasonal crew
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Our ETL-HR just told us it wastes time since we need help asap during Q4 and it delays a new TMs start by at least a week while they wait for the results...
 
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