Schedule Exception

[NovaOne]

I’m taking a schedule exemption for a 7-week course and asked if I could work across different keys to make up some hours during that time. I was told no… but I haven’t seen anything in writing that says I can’t. Just trying to figure out if the “no” is because they simply don’t want to allow it, which is fine, or if they don’t actually know what they’re talking about.

 

[Hal]

It depends on what the schedule you wrote up was. But typically its going to stay days if you're days or nights if you're nights. They're not going to let it do an A1/A2 or B1/B2 mid shift. But if you work A1 and need Monday's off for school they would (should) let you do a Saturday (A1) Sunday (A1) Thursday (B1) schedule.

But they're not going to let you do a 11-11 Thursday through Saturday. Its too complicated to track.

Make sense?

 

[NovaOne]

It depends on what the schedule you wrote up was. But typically its going to stay days if you're days or nights if you're nights. They're not going to let it do an A1/A2 or B1/B2 mid shift. But if you work A1 and need Monday's off for school they would (should) let you do a Saturday (A1) Sunday (A1) Thursday (B1) schedule.

But they're not going to let you do a 11-11 Thursday through Saturday. Its too complicated to track.

Make sense?

I figured working a mid might be a stretch, but I’m not sure why they won’t let me come in on the other night shift to get hours. They’re telling me I have to pick one shift. I will get to the bottom of this.

 

[OutboundLife]

At my DC they just announced a part time option. Details to be set next month. It may create new work schedules for you. they are also eliminating and reducing most shift differentials on Mondays, so they are really looking for any options to staff Mondays.

 

[DC Diva]

Schedule exceptions, like personal leaves, are supposed to be tied to business needs and not guarantees. With the new shift differential roll out, I’m betting most of A1 will be looking to get out of working Mindays

 

[Grunt]

Schedule exceptions, like personal leaves, are supposed to be tied to business needs and not guarantees. With the new shift differential roll out, I’m betting most of A1 will be looking to get out of working Mindays

Whats the new roll out?

 

[OutboundLife]

Whats the new roll out?

Shift differentials will be set based on time of day, as I remember, 6am to 5pm, 5pm to midnight and midnight to 6am and by day of the week Monday to Friday or Saturday to Sunday. So six different possible pay scales. You can be payed multiple scales in one shift.
At my DC and as far as I can tell most DCs Mondays used to be paid at the weekend scale and this will now end.
The roll out is supposed to be company wide.

 

[Grunt]

Shift differentials will be set based on time of day, as I remember, 6am to 5pm, 5pm to midnight and midnight to 6am and by day of the week Monday to Friday or Saturday to Sunday. So six different possible pay scales. You can be payed multiple scales in one shift.
At my DC and as far as I can tell most DCs Mondays used to be paid at the weekend scale and this will now end.
The roll out is supposed to be company wide.

Sounds like its going to simplify things.🤣

 

[Hal]

It simplifies it for the new timekeeping system (UKG) that's rolling out......but not for anyone else.

It is a company wide rollout and I get it. No industry typically pays a Monday shift differential during the day.

That being said this rollout sucks and I hate it.

 

[targetdude1]

It simplifies it for the new timekeeping system (UKG) that's rolling out......but not for anyone else.

It is a company wide rollout and I get it. No industry typically pays a Monday shift differential during the day.

That being said this rollout sucks and I hate it.

yeah it makes sense and more people even got raises out of it than cuts afaik. it's obvious the corporate rationale. they're having more trouble keeping people on a2 and b2 than a1 and b1. so increasing pay on the former is the sensible strategy. (I guess, lol).

a counterargument is A1 and B1 are performers, so why reward shoddy performers on a2 and b2.

but it still really sucks if you are on a1. and the only ones taking a hit. feels bad man.jpeg. in this inflationary environment having pay reduced is crazy.

i still laugh that it's supposed to simplify things though. it's like 100x more complicated now.

 

[targetdude1]

Shift differentials will be set based on time of day, as I remember, 6am to 5pm, 5pm to midnight and midnight to 6am and by day of the week Monday to Friday or Saturday to Sunday. So six different possible pay scales. You can be payed multiple scales in one shift.
At my DC and as far as I can tell most DCs Mondays used to be paid at the weekend scale and this will now end.
The roll out is supposed to be company wide.

Isn't it only 4 different scales? From a reddit post

Mon-Fri 5a-5p-$0
Mon-Fri 5p-5a $2.50
Sat-Sun 5a-5p $2
Sat-Sun 5p-5a $3.50

 

[OutboundLife]

Isn't it only 4 different scales? From a reddit post

Mon-Fri 5a-5p-$0
Mon-Fri 5p-5a $2.50
Sat-Sun 5a-5p $2
Sat-Sun 5p-5a $3.50

The roll out that we were shown has. 3 periods per day. Days/swing and overnight. That does not keep them from paying the swing and overnight the same. I don’t remember the exact hours being B1. But the scale they showed had a rate change at midnight.

 

[Hal]

Isn't it only 4 different scales? From a reddit post

Mon-Fri 5a-5p-$0
Mon-Fri 5p-5a $2.50
Sat-Sun 5a-5p $2
Sat-Sun 5p-5a $3.50

No its 6 payscales.

Mon - Fri 6a-4:59p $0
Mon - Fri 5p-11:59p $2.00
Mon - Fri 12a-5:59a $3.00
Sat - Sun 6a-4:59p $2.00
Sat - Sun 5p-11:59p $2.50
Sat - Sun 12a-5:59a $3.50.

yeah it makes sense and more people even got raises out of it than cuts afaik. it's obvious the corporate rationale. they're having more trouble keeping people on a2 and b2 than a1 and b1. so increasing pay on the former is the sensible strategy. (I guess, lol).

a counterargument is A1 and B1 are performers, so why reward shoddy performers on a2 and b2.

but it still really sucks if you are on a1. and the only ones taking a hit. feels bad man.jpeg. in this inflationary environment having pay reduced is crazy.

i still laugh that it's supposed to simplify things though. it's like 100x more complicated now.

Also differentials have nothing to do with performance. That would be performance incentive or bonus. B1 doesn't get a differential because its the most desired shift. A1 is during the day and should be more desireable.

B2 and A2 get higher differentials because in theory they are the least desired shifts and so to try to keep people working on those shifts.

Target GSCL has always done differentials ass backwards. Most companies and industries do a weekend differential, a night differential and if you work Saturday and Sunday night you get both.

A lot of buildings also jacked up their differentials during COVID as an easy lever to get more people in the door. That was always suppose to be temporary but then we just didn't do anything about it for 5 years so we all assumed it was permanent. Originally it was A1 was $1.00, A2 $1.50 and B2 $0.50.

That's why I think this rollout was stupid and could have been done much better. Target didn't explain it well (again) and so all most teams heard was "you're losing money" and therefore heard "Target is trying to save money" which as a whole this thing is not really making or losing money.

My theory is that this ultimately a plan to get a way from key based schedules. I would not be surprised if schedules get a whole revamp and we also start implementing more part time work and these differentials are way to hire to specific days where we know we struggle.

 

[targetdude1]

thx for the payscales table. i think thats final. the reddit one was incorrect. we asked for a printed one after the meeting but they basically said, oh that might be coming later, we dont have that available now (even though they flashed it on a slide obviously). i suspect they didnt want people to micro analyze any losses.

Also differentials have nothing to do with performance. That would be performance incentive or bonus.

yeah, it's just a argument against these changes i read on reddit that seemed to have some merit to me. it wasnt my argument. since i listed the reasons why it was implemented i figured that was fair. it does suck the "lazy" key A2 gets raises. maybe not everywhere but in some building theyre pretty notorious for having little to no standards.