Archived New Paygrades

[BigEyedPhish]

The pay chart is supposed to be confidential.

They will never tell existing team members they are not getting a raise unless confronted. Generally they pull people who are getting a raise in.

Well, come Monday my next shift, I am going to show my TL, and ETL the pay chart, and ask if they had seen it.

Then immediately tell them I would like to step down, why work harder, and get less money, (than those who, to describe, are, vice versa) when I can ask to step down (Which is now a fucking promotion). Softlines Signing in my store has always been an opportunity, maybe I can turn that around, but not as the Signing TM.

 

[Flow Warrior]

They aren't using the term softlines anymore. My old store called our softlines etl - ETL Style.



My guess is you guys will be getting a slight raise. The only downside is you may not be able to pawn your shifts off to hardlines team members anymore.



You expect to get paid like a team lead?

I am still waiting for AP

Wait hold the fuck up I just realized the amount of positions that are a higher paygrade than GSA like excuse me how is a softlines TM gonna be a higher paygrade than GSA

I would love to know the answer to that. Also, apparently hardlines (which requires you to lift thing up to 100 pounds [ie dog food, mini frigs etc] know esoterica about dishes, vacuums, microwaves, men and womens grooms, detergents, pets, furniture, towels, bedding and lighting) is apparently easier than hanging clothes.

I am going to make this crystal clear.

The people who spot wants in the store are the very people who NEVER shop our clothes. Our clothes aren't fashionable or trendy. There are one level above Wal-mart. Yes we got so designer labels who were basically cut a deal to design low end clothes for them. We are selling nicer than walmart clothes with 'trendy' names to people who hate walmart. Our guests would never want to pay $50 for socks $300 for jeans $2000 for a dress or a suit or a jacket.

We can't compete with them and spot needs to understand this. Amazon doesn't compete with them. They are on an entirely different mountain than we are.

I was in a huddle today where stl celebrated the joy lab clothes that are coming out and honestly it looked like Champion 9 clothes with JL tags on them. I will restrain my opinion or active lesiure wear or my thoughs about wearing yoga pants anywhere other than yoga class but still they didn't look any different than what were already sell. It just look different (in the I've seen it before different)

The magnolia will be different. The casper is different. The blue buffalo and Bark are different. Harry's is different. Even the kids toys and curved tvs are different. This is the utter idiocy of it all.

I will say that my softlines ladies (yes we are segregated, there are no men A&A and we only have some elders now in hardlines) do their own price changes, their own signage, there own pog and all the other stuff. They work hard at it. Its because they ARENT teens. They are 30s somes with kids.

I still think it should have been an all or none. I get the specialist bit. But A&A is not that deserving.

 

[Flow Warrior]

Guest Services will be making the same as a CA.

Guest services are the new cart attendants.

 

[Flow Warrior]

I can't imagine this will last that long, though. Look how long it took them to roll back on the excessive pay for VMTLs do what softlines TMs already did. Once they realize they won't get that high caliber of salespeople from this without offering commission, they'll be on to the next "focus".

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They won't get that high caliber of salespeople period. graphic example

What they will get:

What they expect with the new increases:

The first purse is a George satchel. Its $20
The second is a Metallic gold and multicolor quilted python Chanel Accordion Flap bag with gold-tone hardware, metallic gold leather trim, single rolled top handle, single chain-link and python shoulder strap, single exterior slit pocket at back, champagne woven lining, three interior compartments; one with flap and snap closure and CC turn-lock closure at front flap. Its $3300 and it has a serial number and its own dustbag.

Both bags are the same size in RL

My icon has never meant so much as it does now.

 

[Flow Warrior]

You won't lose pay. You may be capped. For you, a title change. For many VMTLs, it will mostly be a title change. Most VMTLs don't really lead a team, hence the change,

Talked to one of our Senior TLs (this was his last day) he told me last night during his last LOD shift he discovered that he was already capped and wouldnt get anything at all out of this. So he is moving on.

 

[Ahem]

The pay chart is supposed to be confidential.

They will never tell existing team members they are not getting a raise unless confronted. Generally they pull people who are getting a raise in.

Nothing is confidential here. Everything gets around in my store. If I wanna keep something a secret, I know exactly who to tell and that list is only like 3 people. People have already confronted my stl asking what happens since they're over 11 already.

And like someone else mentioned, paygrade is on the list of job openings. It doesn't say what those things mean, but it's not hard to figure out. We know the Sr position that's nxx (I forgot the number) pays more than the n03 jobs so it's pretty obvious. Surely it won't be hard to figure out the new scale... Unless they stop putting it on the list

 

[Flow Warrior]

Its very store to store. Some stores are not doing that, and so people are annoyed.

and we all will continue to shit on A&A until all targets actually do what you suggest (25% maybe) or hardlines (all hardlines) rises to match. (or they drop a&a back)

I love my softlines ladies but no they dont deserve it when the other half the store is cut out.

 

[Flow Warrior]

I didn't realize all stores weren't doing that, so my apologies. My team is, so that's why I was so defensive.

Like I said so is mine but we are full E2E so EVERYONE IS. Yet spot decided that person who does seasonal doesnt get a raise but the A&A does when their workloads are the same in q4?

 

[HRZone]

How? We have a chart in tsc that shows available positions in the store with the pay grade code next to them. It's obvious who starts at what

I'm talking about the specific amounts.

 

[PM2NO]

Talked to one of our Senior TLs (this was his last day) he told me last night during his last LOD shift he discovered that he was already capped and wouldnt get anything at all out of this. So he is moving on.

I think this trend will continue as it gets closer to the $15 minimum. Most Seniors are around the $20 range and probably won't see any increase as a result of the minimum increases.

 

[BigEyedPhish]

I'm talking about the specific amounts.

And these specific amounts, are held by the same people who have been screwed over, just like myself.

The new Pay Grades look more like a very bad Typo, or a wrong document.

 

[oddball]

The people who spot wants in the store are the very people who NEVER shop our clothes. Our clothes aren't fashionable or trendy. There are one level above Wal-mart. Yes we got so designer labels who were basically cut a deal to design low end clothes for them. We are selling nicer than walmart clothes with 'trendy' names to people who hate walmart. Our guests would never want to pay $50 for socks $300 for jeans $2000 for a dress or a suit or a jacket.

We can't compete with them and spot needs to understand this. Amazon doesn't compete with them. They are on an entirely different mountain than we are.

I was in a huddle today where stl celebrated the joy lab clothes that are coming out and honestly it looked like Champion 9 clothes with JL tags on them. I will restrain my opinion or active lesiure wear or my thoughs about wearing yoga pants anywhere other than yoga class but still they didn't look any different than what were already sell. It just look different (in the I've seen it before different)

The magnolia will be different. The casper is different. The blue buffalo and Bark are different. Harry's is different. Even the kids toys and curved tvs are different. This is the utter idiocy of it all.

i actually really like targets clothes.. am i not fashionable or trendy!?? 🙁🙁🙁

 

[FredPanda3]

i actually really like targets clothes.. am i not fashionable or trendy!?? 🙁🙁🙁

Pretty much 95% of what I wear is target stuff and I think it's pretty cute, sometimes it can get overpriced though...

 

[subotai54]

I'm still vaguely confused.

I'm electronics. $10.73/hour. Store is base rate $10.

Will I move up to $11.50 (base+.50) or 11.73 (base+.50+review)?

Will backroom team members really be changed to base? I don't really understand the job differential.

 

[HRZone]

I think this trend will continue as it gets closer to the $15 minimum. Most Seniors are around the $20 range and probably won't see any increase as a result of the minimum increases.

Nope I'm in a 15 dollar an hour state. Our seniors make 21-25 an hour. Their base changes too.

I'm still vaguely confused.

I'm electronics. $10.73/hour. Store is base rate $10.

Will I move up to $11.50 (base+.50) or 11.73 (base+.50+review)?

Will backroom team members really be changed to base? I don't really understand the job differential.

You'll be 11.50, your review is going to wipe out your raise)

 

[HRZone]

Well, come Monday my next shift, I am going to show my TL, and ETL the pay chart, and ask if they had seen it.

Then immediately tell them I would like to step down

Thats a pretty childish and emotional thing to do. Do you think they had any say in your pay cut?

The pay cut came from an empty suit in Minnesota.

Be upset but don't blow the sites cover by running this into your managements office. I would hate to not be able to post this information anymore.

 

[JohnSith373]

A&A is not just sorting reshop and zoning anymore. They do price change, push truck, set POGs and adjacencies, do research/RFID, and put up their own signing. I'm sorry if you don't think this is worth more than entry level, then you're crazy. I'm not saying other positions aren't worth more, but quit shitting on A&A.

Softlines and market are suppose to be E2E in my store but softline doesn't follow that rule. Price accuracy team takes care of softlines price change, softlines inaccurately backstocks their own stuff so now backroom has to backstocks, instocks take care of their rfid and only the TL and 1 or 2 other people for softlines actually do their E2E correctly. Softlines should have a slight pay increase if they do the E2E correctly but paid more than Flexible Fulfillment and SIGNING isn't right.

You'll be 11.50, your review is going to wipe out your raise)

This is what I don't understand of Target or if any other large employer does this. Why doesn't our reviews/merits go with the pay base increase? When my city minimum wage changed on Jan 1st, nearly all of the backroom team became equal to my pay when they've worked for a couple years and I started less than 7 months ago. i.e. Someone working for 7 years with backroom makes it to 12.96 (12.00=basepay+.50) loses the hardwork expressed in the 7 years they've worked when it increase $15. Target only shows the minimum and I feel I should work to the minimum but I won't as to not screw my team.

 

[IcePeasant]

I feel like, at least at my home, if spot and other large corps continue on with this base increase with just minimum wage people and not the rest of the group, they’re going to lose a lot of TMs/TLs who actually care about their jobs and the overall success/growth of the store/company. Sad to say, if it happens to me, I’d sure as heck wouldn’t think twice about checking out any job offers I receive on LinkedIn.

 

[Joel]

@HRZone are we still getting our yearly raise/review like every year (next year)?

I mean I feel pissed I've been working really hard, pushing myself and all for years, just so someone like new TM like my brother (Softlines) will make the same I earn after years of really hard work. So I would like to at least hear we're still getting review/raise next year around same time in April/May.

Reason I'm asking is because there are some people spreading rumors at my store that there's not going to be Raise/review next year.

 

[SFSFun]

Well, come Monday my next shift, I am going to show my TL, and ETL the pay chart, and ask if they had seen it.

Then immediately tell them I would like to step down, why work harder, and get less money, (than those who, to describe, are, vice versa) when I can ask to step down (Which is now a fucking promotion). Softlines Signing in my store has always been an opportunity, maybe I can turn that around, but not as the Signing TM.

Thats a pretty childish and emotional thing to do. Do you think they had any say in your pay cut?

The pay cut came from an empty suit in Minnesota.

Be upset but don't blow the sites cover by running this into your managements office. I would hate to not be able to post this information anymore.

Tell them you got it from reddit...

Why doesn't our reviews/merits go with the pay base increase?

Because that would cost exponentially more money.

 

[TM2]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm fairly sure it's where corporate is coming from with some of these more egregious sounding changes.

As somebody previously summarized, if you're in a position with email, but at the TM level, you're getting screwed. GSA, HR, receiving, and signing, are all doing too much. Not in the sense that they work too hard, but that they're responsible for too much stuff. Many stores use these positions as something akin to the VMTL, that is that they run a department, but don't lead a team. I don't really have a good answer as to how you could reasonably shift responsibilities from said team members over to their respective leaders, but I'm guessing that's what corporates response will be when questioned about this.

 

[Flow Warrior]

i actually really like targets clothes.. am i not fashionable or trendy!?? 🙁🙁🙁

No. Why?
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[Flow Warrior]

I'm still vaguely confused.

I'm electronics. $10.73/hour. Store is base rate $10.

Will I move up to $11.50 (base+.50) or 11.73 (base+.50+review)?

Will backroom team members really be changed to base? I don't really understand the job differential.

Yes and sadly yes.

 

[Flow Warrior]

This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I'm fairly sure it's where corporate is coming from with some of these more egregious sounding changes.

As somebody previously summarized, if you're in a position with email, but at the TM level, you're getting screwed. GSA, HR, receiving, and signing, are all doing too much. Not in the sense that they work too hard, but that they're responsible for too much stuff. Many stores use these positions as something akin to the VMTL, that is that they run a department, but don't lead a team. I don't really have a good answer as to how you could reasonably shift responsibilities from said team members over to their respective leaders, but I'm guessing that's what corporates response will be when questioned about this.

And this is went they will discover that either this is impossible or difficult. Why? Asants. That simple.

We all forget Cornell worked for Sam's club. All sams club are roughly the same. No targets are.

 

[Yetive]

@HRZone are we still getting our yearly raise/review like every year (next year)?

I mean I feel pissed I've been working really hard, pushing myself and all for years, just so someone like new TM like my brother (Softlines) will make the same I earn after years of really hard work. So I would like to at least hear we're still getting review/raise next year around same time in April/May.

Reason I'm asking is because there are some people spreading rumors at my store that there's not going to be Raise/review next year.

I would assume there will still be reviews and raises, and I would assume that they will be prettty good. If they are going to get base to $15 by 2020, that would average $2 next year, and $2 in 2019. I would guess a review in April, followed by another base raise in Oct again to help with seasonal hiring.