MEGATHREAD End to End team PILOT

The new DC model should have went first followed by this. It wasn't and its too late now.
Thank you Flow Warrior for expressing what I've been meaning to post for awhile.

E2E in a store will ONLY work if that store's DC has been converted to E2E. We have been E2E in Market since the end of last year and, despite my store's management expressions of how well it's going, it is a mess. Too much freight (i.e., case packs) is being pushed to our store for the Market Team to handle with the amount of TMs and hours allocated.

Twice a week the Smart Huddle uses all TMs on Specialy Teams to push Market's freight, pulls, and POG drops. Instocks does Market's RIGS and have to Research there because the Market Team is so buried in freight and have no time. And, we are a LOW volume store.

Converting Softlines, Cosmetics, and Electronics to E2E SHOULD go more smoothly because they have never been far from it. Most of their freight comes in Repacks which mostly means eaches.

But, going to E2E in the rest of Hardlines in a store before their DC is converted to E2E is a recipe for disaster. Imagine how the Holidays will be with stores in E2E mode and DCs still in case pack mode. I see unpushed freight piled up in the Backroom and TMs having to go pallet/flat/tub diving to find product for guests, SFS, and Flex.

On paper E2E looks great, however, Target will do what they always do: pushing out an initiative before all elements are properly in place, in all segments, in the right sequence, at the right time.

E2E is meant to increase sales and profits. Unfortunately, Target's impatience in the way they are rolling it out will result in the exact opposite.
 
But it is. I am not at work (off until tuesday) but I will happily take a pic of the umpteen boxes of new shelving in our BR with stickers that say 'Grocery operating model Project Captain' on them.
The posts were referring to what it is called on the pilots page on Workbench. And on there it is definitely called "Grocery Operating Model."
 
You would think so, closer to 50 in my group. All depends on backroom space
I forgot what number they were up to, but all but three stores in my district have it.

Whether or not they had space for it was not something that was considered for the most recently added stores here.
 
I hate to say this, as I used to be Sales Floor, but the reason Flow is being held above Sales Floor in hours is because I believe Flow TM's would be more easily transitioned into this new Logistics Process rather than say HL TMs, who have never pushed a truck in (their life
But it is. I am not at work (off until tuesday) but I will happily take a pic of the umpteen boxes of new shelving in our BR with stickers that say 'Grocery operating model Project Captain' on them.

They may say this but, it means as much as the boxes that come in saying

"ATTENTION - ETL-Signing Specialist". (I lol, everytime.)

If anyone is the "GOM Captain" it is either the Signing Specialist or the CTL.

If you are unsure, then ask your Signing guy, as all the fixtures will more likely flow threw them (although ASANTS).
 
My store officially rolled out End to End On Memorial Day. It. Was. Chaos.

Memorial Day. There were only two cashiers. And the Team Leads were already all in foul moods over working Memorial Day and the stress of the End to End was added on that.

They only talked to a couple of people about the process prior to the day it started. I was assigned the entirety of D. All by my self. No explanation of what End to End is, no explanation of the process. I was literally thrown in. Someone stole the mydevice I needed to use also. They told me the person in C would teach me. I got to C and the person I was to work with had no idea what the process or expected outcome was either. So I'm struggling to keep my head above water and to find out exactly what the hell I'm supposed to do. Everyone else in all departments except the people that had it previously explained to them are yelling and throwing items in frustration. Meanwhile the leads are in a catered meeting and can be heard laughing all the way in the break room.

D apparently won't be my area. They said they'd "have to see" where I'll be. Nobody is scheduled to work D in the near future. It makes no sense!!!

The hours have been lopsided since moving to End to End. Some people have been getting consistent 30+ for no reason (they usually end up bored before the end of their shift) and others (many seasoned workers) are barely cracking 16. On my way out the door for the day I overheard that they're planning to cut more hours. Yet they just hired a ton of new people. So I had to apply at some places for a second job on my way home.

It was the most stressful day I've ever had at Target since I started working there. I cried from frustration on the way home. I hate End to End.
 
Welcome @Junebug2!

Sorry this happened to you but communication from the top down has been an Achilles Heel of Target for awhile.

My only suggestion is to read through the 58 pages of this thread. It will give you better info on how they want E2E to happen. You will at least know what the company expects of you and you will probably know more than your TLs and ETLs. I hope things get better for you. Good Luck!
 
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The lack of Team Members and call ins/no show make E2E all but impossible to carryout. We ran into trouble right off the bat with requested time offs. I can only imagine the issues that will be created when some members take their vacations.

Sorry to hear about your problems.

Like others have said in this post, keep your options open and be prepared to look elsewhere. Some stores will struggle or in some cases will not be able to make the transition due to the inability to hire enough team members.
 
You are right. Here is a thought. No one knows how much Amazon internally spends to do what they do because Amazon is notoriously quiet about it.
The new DC model should have went first followed by this. It wasn't and its too late now.

I thought this over and how I was involved in such changes in the past. It is backwards given how we process incoming freight. The logical and easiest way is upon delivery, not the end process. Also, the amount of change and inconsistency with the changes across the board makes absolutely no sense at all given the company wide effect on the bottom line. This was a huge misdiagnosis of a problem.

It's only when you realize that they are trying to reinvent the wheel that you start to understand the epic failure that is at hand. Given the changes, it may be too costly to return to a point of starting over again given our size.

Instead of trying to figure out what the actual problems are, Spot went out an poached a "guru" from the leading competitor with the anticipation that they could recreate the same success here. That ain't going to happen. Amazon and Target operations are not remotely close to being the same.

Considering the "guru" is currently in a lawsuit with his former employer Amazon over a non compete clause, he has only so long to perform before Spot is done with him. So the attack was commenced upon the most difficult aspect of the business first. A little success and he can parley that into something else. It is literally axxholes and elbows in trying to implement this process.

If you thing otherwise, think about it this way. Target by it size and layout, has the ability to model and beta test the entire system within a portion of its organization. Upon successful testing, Target could implement it company wide through a series of incremental changes. Literally a seamless change throughout the organization. I estimate it could be done well within eighteen months given the current technology at hand. This include Target.com shipments from DC's instead of at the store level.

But no, we are fast tracking this change.

E2E is simply another way of imitating an online fulfillment system to an individual recipient (the reasoning for the eaches (!?!)). In this case, a team member is the individual recipient in their own area. The difference here is that the team member is not the end user. The fly in the ointment.

As volume increases along with foot traffic, carrying out E2E will become all but impossible given the scope of the requirements. This along with turnover, absenteeism, and other HR issues will only result in a volatile end recipient situation.

Quick look at SFS and the increased touches (this is also part of the rationale for E2E):

Fulfilling target.com sales at the store level only serves as a short term solution to a much larger problem, inability to fulfill on line orders in a timely manner.

Fulfillment from the store; manufacturer/wholesaler to Target DC Receiving (1) to Target DC Inventory (2) to Target DC Pick/Pack (3) to Target DC Shipping (4) to Target Transportation (5) to Target Store Receiving (6) to Target Flow (7) to Target BR (8) Target SFS Pick (9) to Target SFS Ship (10) to Freight Carrier (11). (Flow was broken into two parts due to unload and push are two separate functions when it comes to touching freight)

Instead fulfilling from a DC; manufacturer/wholesaler to Target DC Receiving (1) to Target DC Inventory (2) to Target DC Pick (3) to Target DC Shipping (4) to Freight Carrier (5).

Who covers the cost of the extra touches (11 to 5)? The guest? I don't think so. Too price conscious to accept premium pricing when the item is available elsewhere. The stores will pick up the additional burden as time goes on. As of now, I suspect it is shared or charged against Target.com.

This setup will requires a headcount that Target will not likely accept either. Look for a lot of downward pressure on Team Member performance in the near future. If you think its getting tight now, you haven't seen anything yet. Of course this will be done without additional compensation. Another reason turnover will be ridiculously bad.
 
I don't know...I kind of feel like if TMs can hold on for the first few months we'll be good because it sounds like this is going to be a total shit-show, so I'd imagine that those of us who manage to make it through and continue to show exceptional performance will be in a pretty good position.

Hours are GONE at my store now, but I've been told that me and a few other people are all but untouchable (I know, Target lies and dangles carrots etc, but I have reason to believe this, although I understand corporate has the final say and could ruin everything) They'll fire people before they cut more than like 5hrs off our average, because we work too hard and they know we'll leave if our hours dip.

When you have a group of TMs that can and WILL do the work of 2-3 TMs everyone at the store level understands it's more important to keep those few good TMs than the dozen crappy ones. Corporate might raise hell, but what's the alternative? Cut the good TMs (because that's basically what slashing hours will do- you might not fire us, but if you cut us to an average that's lower than 33, we're gone) and be left with nothing but mediocre TMs and new hires? Good luck with that.

The bad TMs will quickly be cut and the mediocre TMs will be pushed to their breaking point and either shape up or leave...sure, us good TMs will have to endure a lot of hell/stress/irritable leaders...but I'm starting to think we'll be golden if we survive this.
 
I don't know...I kind of feel like if TMs can hold on for the first few months we'll be good because it sounds like this is going to be a total shit-show, so I'd imagine that those of us who manage to make it through and continue to show exceptional performance will be in a pretty good position.

Hours are GONE at my store now, but I've been told that me and a few other people are all but untouchable (I know, Target lies and dangles carrots etc, but I have reason to believe this, although I understand corporate has the final say and could ruin everything) They'll fire people before they cut more than like 5hrs off our average, because we work too hard and they know we'll leave if our hours dip.

When you have a group of TMs that can and WILL do the work of 2-3 TMs everyone at the store level understands it's more important to keep those few good TMs than the dozen crappy ones. Corporate might raise hell, but what's the alternative? Cut the good TMs (because that's basically what slashing hours will do- you might not fire us, but if you cut us to an average that's lower than 33, we're gone) and be left with nothing but mediocre TMs and new hires? Good luck with that.

The bad TMs will quickly be cut and the mediocre TMs will be pushed to their breaking point and either shape up or leave...sure, us good TMs will have to endure a lot of hell/stress/irritable leaders...but I'm starting to think we'll be golden if we survive this.


This is where the problem lies. IS the work load excessive for the pay and the only ones capable are the exception to the norm? OR is the work load insufficient for the wages paid?

Have you ever seen a time study? Or for that matter a time study being performed? A lot of the expectations are not based upon the process itself, it is more along the lines of what has to be accomplished to maintain profitability. That's why it is always changing.

When you do more than what is required, you in theory are doing above and beyond by helping the company's profitability. However, the reality is that you are short changing yourself financially. Target could care less about your ability to do excessive or your inability to carryout your assigned task. They pay a wage that maintains their profitability, not yours. It is up to the management at the store level to cull the heard as they say. Do a poor job culling the heard and the store and its management pay the ultimate price no matter what you do. Most likely your gone way before either by choice or circumstance.

That being said, if it comes down to it, head count and hours are all that matter. We have a saying at our store; "Who is the wiser, the one who goes above and beyond or the one who does the bare minimal?" Consider that you get paid the same regardless, does it really matter in the long term?

No it doesn't, nor will it ever considering the environment. Working for yourself, or on commission, or bonus, or with an organization that will compensate you for abilities, it does matter. Just show up and do your job, plain and simple. No more and no less is all you should do. If you think about it, that is in reality all you need to do. It covers a lot of ground.

Target makes decisions based what is best for Target, not its Team Members. Each Team Member must make decisions that will benefit themselves, not Target. If things work out for the best, all benefit accordingly, but if things do not work out, someone looses. I personally do not want loose anything.
 
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That being said, if it comes down to it, head count and hours are all that matter. We have a saying at our store; "Who is the wiser, the one who goes above and beyond or the one who does the bare minimal?" Consider that you get paid the same regardless, does it really matter in the long term?

No it doesn't, nor will it ever considering the environment. Working for yourself, or on commission, or bonus, or with an organization that will compensate you for abilities, it does matter. Just show up and do your job, plain and simple. No more and no less is all you should do. If you think about it, that is in reality all you need to do. It covers a lot of ground.

Target makes decisions based what is best for Target, not its Team Members. Each Team Member must make decisions that will benefit themselves, not Target. If things work out for the best, all benefit accordingly, but if things do not work out, someone looses. I personally do not want loose anything.

Who decides what's "above and beyond" though? I mean, when I said that some of my coworkers and I do the work of 2-3 TMs you have to keep in mind that a good portion of our TMs are lazy as shit/take 25min breaks/walk slower than anyone I've ever met/play dumb to get out of tasks/etc.

Plus, I think when you're asking that question ("Who is wiser") you have to look at the bigger picture. If you show up and do the bare minimum, you're probably setting up some bad habits that will screw you over elsewhere in life. Working hard will never put you in a bad position. It might not explicitly benefit you- you might be on equal footing with someone who is lazy (which can feel like a loss, no doubt) but even then, it builds character. That's a nauseating thing to say. I imagine my uber-republican/pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps father to say something like that (to be clear, I'm SUPER liberal and my economic leanings are pretty socialist- I'm not in to capitalism/corporatism whatsoever) But I could never be happy with myself showing up to work and doing the bare minimum just because I feel a company takes advantage of me.

I work hard to better myself and better my opportunities- how my (positive/high) work ethic negatively impacts my coworkers is of absolutely no concern to me.

Last year my ETL nearly left the company and was pretty far along in interviews with another company (but ended up just staying w/ Target in a different position) and a few months later she told me that she had told the hiring manager at the other company about me and was going to ask me to follow her to the new company if she had been hired, and the pay would've been much better.

I get it- that situation didn't pan out. BUT the possibility was there because I work my ass off. I have quite a few people I work with that I know would go to bat for me in a heartbeat, helping me get a job/being a reference/etc.

I just don't understand why you would show up somewhere day in and day out and NOT do your best. Do not fool yourself- if you're not doing your best you are in fact losing something.
 
From what I'm seeing they're making the exact same play that K-Mart used in 2000 to try and stave off Bankruptcy, and you see how well they're doing these days.... and I'm also wondering if they are plans to add another Rev-Log TM for the extra 30 hours worth of work shifted that way.
 
In my store (AA Volume Super Target) E2E is working great apparently. So far Consumables , Cosmestics and Electronics are doing it, and they really don't have many complains. The only complains that I can posible think of are from Flow and some HL people.
 
From what I'm seeing they're making the exact same play that K-Mart used in 2000 to try and stave off Bankruptcy, and you see how well they're doing these days.... and I'm also wondering if they are plans to add another Rev-Log TM for the extra 30 hours worth of work shifted that way.
How is any of this adding 30 hours of receiving?
 
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