MEGATHREAD End to End team PILOT

callmetaylor said:
Who decides what's "above and beyond" though? I mean, when I said that some of my coworkers and I do the work of 2-3 TMs you have to keep in mind that a good portion of our TMs are lazy as shit/take 25min breaks/walk slower than anyone I've ever met/play dumb to get out of tasks/etc.

Plus, I think when you're asking that question ("Who is wiser") you have to look at the bigger picture. If you show up and do the bare minimum, you're probably setting up some bad habits that will screw you over elsewhere in life. Working hard will never put you in a bad position. It might not explicitly benefit you- you might be on equal footing with someone who is lazy (which can feel like a loss, no doubt) but even then, it builds character. That's a nauseating thing to say. I imagine my uber-republican/pull-yourself-up-by-the-bootstraps father to say something like that (to be clear, I'm SUPER liberal and my economic leanings are pretty socialist- I'm not in to capitalism/corporatism whatsoever) But I could never be happy with myself showing up to work and doing the bare minimum just because I feel a company takes advantage of me.

Don't confuse initiative with "over working". Over working will put you in a bad position with companies that do not have measurable expectations.
You create false expectations of output. We all have good days and bad days. If you run into a rough patch, news flash "your slacking off".

"Who is the wiser" refers more to your environment. The problem with working for Spot is that we don't have measured expectations (time studies). We have expectations based upon who just did the task the fastest or even worse, we need to be more profitable. Today you did a great job while tomorrow's response will be is that all the better you can do? Let Spot take care of the slackers and what they can't do. If they are willing to let you work over and finish up, that's your call to make.

Do as your asked to the best of your abilities, but to go over and above by doing more than expected (2-3 times the requirements) is like handing your paycheck back over to Target. Don't do someone's job when they are being paid to do it. Target does not expect this of you. Neither should anyone who you are subordinate to either.

The "bigger picture" is you, not the organization. Target is no different than any other large organization you might find employment with, you are just a number. No more to them and no less than that, to expect more will only set you up for a severe amount of disappointments.

I work hard to better myself and better my opportunities- how my (positive/high) work ethic negatively impacts my coworkers is of absolutely no concern to me.

This is called initiative. It is not mutually interchangeable with working hard. If you want to work hard, go dig a ditch in rocky ground. You want to "work smarter, not harder." This better demonstrates your abilities.

How you work and/or interact with your team members won't impact you negatively unless your actions make others look bad. This can be intentional or unintentional. You have to be willing work with others and that includes working at their pace. You may not like working with them, but they are your team members and you have to be respectful of their capabilities.

Last year my ETL nearly left the company and was pretty far along in interviews with another company (but ended up just staying w/ Target in a different position) and a few months later she told me that she had told the hiring manager at the other company about me and was going to ask me to follow her to the new company if she had been hired, and the pay would've been much better.

I get it- that situation didn't pan out. BUT the possibility was there because I work my ass off. I have quite a few people I work with that I know would go to bat for me in a heartbeat, helping me get a job/being a reference/etc.

This is sign of trust more than anything else. That being said, if you should ever follow someone, by all means vet that company and job before you take it on. Their position and your position are apples and oranges. I've known of one person that followed someone and regretted it for a year until they walked out. ALWAYS ask why is the position open. If they won't tell you, stay a way.

I just don't understand why you would show up somewhere day in and day out and NOT do your best. Do not fool yourself- if you're not doing your best you are in fact losing something.
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Once again, doing your best and working hard are not interchangeable. You will eventually loose by "over working". Take it from me , the one who had the surgeries and problems from "working hard".
 
Seems like you're letting your personal health issues mix with the idea of working hard. No disrespect intended, but that's a cop out.
 
There is no need to work hard if you get the same pay for working normal and you suffer and consequences.

I learned that working in the backroom where I used to hustle to beat goal times and no one even cared. So I just take it slow.
 
DoWork said:
Seems like you're letting your personal health issues mix with the idea of working hard. No disrespect intended, but that's a cop out.
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First, there is a difference here; "hard work" vs. "excessive work". I used to think they were the same, they're not. I was once that person who believed doing more was the way to demonstrate you worked hard.

It's not a cop out either, just reality. You just don't know or realize at the time that your "hard work" is damaging you physically. My first brush with it was when I was in mid twenties and I started to loose the use of my hand. A couple of months after my surgery and I started to realize that what I did was incredibly stupid. That was just the beginning as other problems have come about over time due to "hard work".

I haven't stopped working hard either, I just work a lot smarter now.

Target is just one of many stops for me. I've seen people who couldn't straighten their hands out, back issues, knees, you name it. They'll tell you post injury/surgery what they were doing was short sighted.

I remember one guy, just jumped in one time to show us how it was done. The ambulance picked him up about an hour later and took him to the emergency room. He gave birth to a hernia and a ruptured testicle. Yeah he was somewhat a humbled guy afterwards.

As for the personal health issues, it has nothing to do with the idea of "working hard". It's not "working hard", it's what your earning for the work your performing.

Your not impressing anyone by doing excessive work. About all you'll gain is more work for the same amount of pay.

You impress those around you by your initiative and "working smarter".
 
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jb08045 said:
There is no need to work hard if you get the same pay for working normal and you suffer and consequences.

I learned that working in the backroom where I used to hustle to beat goal times and no one even cared. So I just take it slow.
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If you are working at their expectations, you are doing the job your are being paid to do. There is nothing wrong with that at all. If expectations are too low, then they will be adjusted within reason. Everyone who is worth their weight in salt will understand why.

Beating goal times without just compensation is just poor business on the workers part.

Guess what happens next go around? The goal times are adjusted to reflect the "new level" of efficiency along with less hours. Why? You were standing around with your team members shooting the breeze because you finished early!
 
Unsilent said:
Q4 and flu season. Doubles and callouts. Seasonals.

Sounds like even more E2E fun.
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I was talking this over with my ETL today and he just had a lost look. We're having trouble hiring for attrition now let alone ramping up for E2E requirements.

We were short handed in LOG's during last Christmas Season because no one applied. Couldn't p/u any OT either.
 
KarmaToBurn said:
From what I'm seeing they're making the exact same play that K-Mart used in 2000 to try and stave off Bankruptcy, and you see how well they're doing these days.... and I'm also wondering if they are plans to add another Rev-Log TM for the extra 30 hours worth of work shifted that way.
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Please elaborate on the similarities.
 
Your reason for not doing "excessive work" is because you had a bum hand in your twenties. Again, you're letting personal health issues into the equations which is, indeed, a cop out. You're essentially saying "don't work too hard guys or your hand won't work right" which is not the case.
 
DoWork said:
Your reason for not doing "excessive work" is because you had a bum hand in your twenties. Again, you're letting personal health issues into the equations which is, indeed, a cop out. You're essentially saying "don't work too hard guys or your hand won't work right" which is not the case.
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You're missing the point. I didn't post don't work hard, I posted work smarter. Excessive work is not hard work. It's just excessive work.

You are hired to do your job, not every other deadbeat's job that Spot hires. Let management take care of their workload or give you the hours to finish their work so they get picture and fire their lazy asses. Doing their work only keeps them around that much longer.

Excessive work gets you no where. It only results in more work for the same amount of pay.

As for the "bum hand" comment, it worked fine after surgery. I'm just reminded about what can happen when you confuse excessive work with hard work when I see it.

But if you want do your work and others too, by all means go for it. It's a free country. Just let them no that you'll do the work of three for the price of one so they can save payroll!

Only problem is Workman's Comp ain't worth a damn any more. Good luck if you should ever need it.
 
Former soft lines flow TM here...we started end to end the other day. Not the whole store, just market, soft lines, and electronics for right now. I'm now in cosmetics.

First thing I noticed for myself is, later start and end times, longer days, and more weekly hours scheduled.

Catching on to my new responsibilities is easier since I have previous experience in hard lines and salesfloor. However, for newbies I think the change would be overwhelming.

The main problems I am noticing are not having enough equipment and learning to organize my repacks. I feel like overall I am being less productive when it comes to to pushing truck freight since they don't want me to sort all my repacks at one time. They want me to bring out only one or two repacks to the floor at a time (still in the box, unpacked) and stock as I go. Still, I try to take a few seconds and group like items but so far I still end up walking all over the place. It seems like a time waster, especially when it comes to makeup. Very time consuming.

One thing I am worried about is that they will try to call me up for backup all the time, because I simply will refuse. I hate doing registers and really I don't like all the face to face time I'm having with guests as it is now. I'm anti social which is why I enjoyed flow so much. How I miss the 4am.
 
No I in Team said:
You're missing the point. I didn't post don't work hard, I posted work smarter. Excessive work is not hard work. It's just excessive work.

You are hired to do your job, not every other deadbeat's job that Spot hires. Let management take care of their workload or give you the hours to finish their work so they get picture and fire their lazy asses. Doing their work only keeps them around that much longer.

Excessive work gets you no where. It only results in more work for the same amount of pay.

As for the "bum hand" comment, it worked fine after surgery. I'm just reminded about what can happen when you confuse excessive work with hard work when I see it.

But if you want do your work and others too, by all means go for it. It's a free country. Just let them no that you'll do the work of three for the price of one so they can save payroll!

Only problem is Workman's Comp ain't worth a damn any more. Good luck if you should ever need it.
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No. You're hired to do what you're told to do. Don't like it? Don't do it or leave.
 
So we are adding 'beauty' to our E2E process. Any tips? How do you handle unload? What does a typical day look like. We just made adjustments to our market schedule which I think will be an awesome help.
 
DoWork said:
No. You're hired to do what you're told to do. Don't like it? Don't do it or leave.
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No you are hired to do a specific job. GTFO with that told crap this isn't the 60's anymore.

If they don't like it maybe lay out EVERYTHING they want done in the job application or interview.
 
IDoStuffHere said:
No you are hired to do a specific job. GTFO with that told crap this isn't the 60's anymore.

If they don't like it maybe lay out EVERYTHING they want done in the job application or interview.
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This is the #1 complaint I see with new hires. They applied for a certain set of job descriptions and were told they were going to do those tasks, but then they start and get shuffled around to doing a bunch of other stuff they didn't expect to be doing. Sure, nothing can be perfect but communication regarding this to applicants could be better.
 
IDoStuffHere said:
No you are hired to do a specific job. GTFO with that told crap this isn't the 60's anymore.

If they don't like it maybe lay out EVERYTHING they want done in the job application or interview.
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Lol. no. Also, you should change your username to "idoexactlywhatwasonnyapplicationandnotathingmore."

This. This is why people don't last in jobs.
 
Things I was told today:

1. CAF/Autofill pull times do not matter anymore at all. Only thing that matters is making sure your team's work does not roll into another team's. Otherwise, don't bother calling for backup, take yo time.
2. Few ETLs have told me they expect to roll out E2E fully by the end of 2017 to all stores within my district. They have also told me if this just goes away in the next few months, don't be surprised. "Target's like a crazy guy with voices in his head, all fighting for power."
3. Apparently our store's E2E process is going great, even though BR/Flow is still pulling their CAFs/Autofills and doing their backstock...
4. Stores close to the DC will be receiving palletised merchandise. Flow team will dissolve to "Unload team" for stores too far away from a DC. Hours on that team will be cut.

I'm under the impression that Spot is going all in with this and hopes for the best. But stores like mine are creating a false narrative of this working as expected. I spent a solid 8 hour shift backstocking Softlines Style, still wasn't done. I do think with the right team and the right motivation, this could work. But it needs to be executed tirelessly.
 
Reading through the pages, I can't imagine this working if people so much as call out or go on vacation/LOA. :eek:
 
Marcellow said:
Reading through the pages, I can't imagine this working if people so much as call out or go on vacation/LOA. :eek:
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It doesn't work with call outs as I'm experiencing. Lost one person after a week (3 NCNS), now have 2 people constantly calling out or leaving early. There isn't really anyone left in my store to pull and outside hiring is not going well either. On the days my people do all show up, we get the push + backstock done, but only my fastest person gets to their research.
 

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