Store Paygrades

As a Cart Attendant I think it's dumb how we get paid the same as a cashier.

Cashiering is probably the easiest job in the whole store while Cart Attending can be one of the hardest as we actually do physical work rather then walk around with a paper telling others what to do. I was a cashier before making base pay, then moved to cart attendant and still make base pay and do so much more work and in such bad conditions(Hot days, cold days, windy, raining, etc)
 
MrMrIce said:
As a Cart Attendant I think it's dumb how we get paid the same as a cashier.

Cashiering is probably the easiest job in the whole store while Cart Attending can be one of the hardest as we actually do physical work rather then walk around with a paper telling others what to do. I was a cashier before making base pay, then moved to cart attendant and still make base pay and do so much more work and in such bad conditions(Hot days, cold days, windy, raining, etc)
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You have to remember that the paygrades are not based entirely on how "hard" the job is. It is either based on 1. How much intelligence/responsibility the job requires or 2. How critical the job is to the store.

This is why logistics/plano/pricing teams are the highest paygrades of most "regular" TMs. If you don't have those teams working smoothly your store is screwed, and it is not easy to replace those team members. How many times have you seen a cart attendant/cashier take over for a logistics tm/plano/pricing? It just does not happen.

As a TL, I can go the sales floor, pick any TM, and ask them to go out and get carts. ANY TM. Even if it is their first day on the job. Basically easy to replace, and you only need one of them at a time....

At the same time, if I went outside and asked the cart attendant to come in and do plano team he would be completely and totally lost. Why? The job requires much more understanding and training. You can't just walk in and know how to read schematics/how to place peg hooks/etc. Is it easy once you know it? Yes, for the most part.... but it takes some TMs weeks to catch on. Plus you need multiple people to get the job done.

Also the plano/pricing/logistics teams require people to show up more often. What happens if several pricing/plano TMs don't show up? Once plano/pricing gets behind it can be damn near impossible to catch up again. Scores start to go red, product flows in to the backroom instead of the floor, pricing issues can lead to lawsuits, etc. Basically the store can be screwed for days or even weeks if any of these teams get behind. Basically they expect people to be more reliable, and increased money helps people show up to work.

If a cart attendant doesn't show up, worst case scenario the store gets light on carts a few times during the day. Situation is easily resolved by the time the team goes home at night. It's not like you can get days or weeks behind on carts.

Basically the damage done to the store is a lot less serious/damaging if a cart attendant is having issues versus plano/pricing/logistics TMs.
 
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Keep in mind, there are two different "types" of Photo TMs.

PG5 - Photo Lab Team Member (standard photo worker, both digital and wet labs)
PG9 - Photo Lab Assistant (aka specialist, only in wet labs)
 
StateofTarget said:
You have to remember that the paygrades are not based entirely on how "hard" the job is. It is either based on 1. How much intelligence/responsibility the job requires or 2. How critical the job is to the store.

This is why logistics/plano/pricing teams are the highest paygrades of most "regular" TMs. If you don't have those teams working smoothly your store is screwed, and it is not easy to replace those team members. How many times have you seen a cart attendant/cashier take over for a logistics tm/plano/pricing? It just does not happen.

As a TL, I can go the sales floor, pick any TM, and ask them to go out and get carts. ANY TM. Even if it is their first day on the job. Basically easy to replace, and you only need one of them at a time....

At the same time, if I went outside and asked the cart attendant to come in and do plano team he would be completely and totally lost. Why? The job requires much more understanding and training. You can't just walk in and know how to read schematics/how to place peg hooks/etc. Is it easy once you know it? Yes, for the most part.... but it takes some TMs weeks to catch on. Plus you need multiple people to get the job done.

Also the plano/pricing/logistics teams require people to show up more often. What happens if several pricing/plano TMs don't show up? Once plano/pricing gets behind it can be damn near impossible to catch up again. Scores start to go red, product flows in to the backroom instead of the floor, pricing issues can lead to lawsuits, etc. Basically the store can be screwed for days or even weeks if any of these teams get behind. Basically they expect people to be more reliable, and increased money helps people show up to work.

If a cart attendant doesn't show up, worst case scenario the store gets light on carts a few times during the day. Situation is easily resolved by the time the team goes home at night. It's not like you can get days or weeks behind on carts.

Basically the damage done to the store is a lot less serious/damaging if a cart attendant is having issues versus plano/pricing/logistics TMs.
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No carts inside the store makes guests angry, no one to help with carry outs, restrooms don't get cleaned :) Atleast the way my store is run.

Plus the amount of work asked of us. I mean we have to keep the carts full inside when its busy, then we have to close down each restroom and clean each one while our cart supply is getting low, then when we finish the restrooms we do a safety walk around the entire store then we finally get time to recollect carts and a carry out is called or a spill or guest service needs boxes or something and carts run super low then we get yelled at by our LODs for being low on carts.
Like I said, the way our store is run, CA is really not worth the base pay and its just sucks we get paid the same amount as someone who just stands there and push buttons.

Or how a ETL is making BANK and all I see them do is sit in their office and eat chipotle and sometimes they come out to scare everyone
 
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Imerzan said:
GSA deserves PG9 at least imo. Take us away from the front end with no GSTLs around and see how things go.....
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The same can be said about every position... Take away a logistics team with no LOG TL around to unload a truck and see how things go...
 
MrMrIce said:
Or how a ETL is making BANK and all I see them do is sit in their office and eat chipotle and sometimes they come out to scare everyone
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Yo, what's stopping you from getting your degree and sliding into an "easy" ETL position so you can start making BANK while apparently not doing anything?
 
Formina Sage said:
Yo, what's stopping you from getting your degree and sliding into an "easy" ETL position so you can start making BANK while apparently not doing anything?
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There are many reasons people can not get degrees. Most ETLs came from middle/upper class family and mommy and daddy took care of them on a 4 year vacation. The vast majority of ETLs at my store have never had a job before Target. And I mean never. Not even part time summer jobs. There is only way one such a person could get away with that - mommy and daddy footing the bill. Many TMs don't come from that kind of background.
 
At my store cosmetics TMs (not a specialist), food av, starbucks are N05 (+.25), Electronics, Cart Attendants, Photo, Cashiers at electronics and pharmacy are N07 (+1), GSAs, PA, old specialists, signing, tps are N09 (+2). TLs are +5.50.
 
Formina Sage said:
Yo, what's stopping you from getting your degree and sliding into an "easy" ETL position so you can start making BANK while apparently not doing anything?
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A degree doesn't guarantee you a good job or any job at all, especially in this economy. My SO and I have a degree from a good private college and now we are both in retail trying to pay off student loans. Very bad combo. The unemployment rate for my class is over 60% and among those lucky enough to be employed, many are in retail or the food industry getting minimum wage. And you know what? We're probably getting paid much, much less than our counterparts who went into the workforce straight out of high school and don't have to contend with tens of thousands in student loan debt.
 
Formina Sage said:
Yo, what's stopping you from getting your degree and sliding into an "easy" ETL position so you can start making BANK while apparently not doing anything?
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It's hard to go to a good school while making minimum wage, especially when no one in my family has gone to higher education. Plus the fact that having a degree doesn't mean you will get a good job(I know several people with college degrees and they can't find a job because their field isn't doing well), BUT with that said I am going to a community college right now and planning on transferring later one when I have the funds.

But my point is, how can someone make so much money while doing little work and when they do do something, it's nothing that involves any physical work besides writing on a paper or typing on a keyboard and hide in a office with all their buddy co-workers.
 
MrMrIce said:
But my point is, how can someone make so much money while doing little work and when they do do something, it's nothing that involves any physical work besides writing on a paper or typing on a keyboard and hide in a office with all their buddy co-workers.
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I know it's beyond frustrating, but there's not much you can do about it. Recently we had an STL come in and fill in for a bit. On his last day I clocked in and he was in his office, along with 4 other LOD's. Go up front and the lanes are exploding. We call for backup and "nobody can come up". Not a peep out of any of the LOD's either. 4 hours later I find time to take a 15 minute break thanks to the Guest Service desk. I walk into TMSC and guess what, they are all still in the office whooping it up and having a grand old time. Thankfully our old STL is back now, and instances like this have finally stopped happening as much.
 
watchdog9000 said:
I know it's beyond frustrating, but there's not much you can do about it. Recently we had an STL come in and fill in for a bit. On his last day I clocked in and he was in his office, along with 4 other LOD's. Go up front and the lanes are exploding. We call for backup and "nobody can come up". Not a peep out of any of the LOD's either. 4 hours later I find time to take a 15 minute break thanks to the Guest Service desk. I walk into TMSC and guess what, they are all still in the office whooping it up and having a grand old time. Thankfully our old STL is back now, and instances like this have finally stopped happening as much.
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Sounds like my store everyday for the past month.

Everyone who is an ETL at my job was someone fresh out of college btw. No real experience at all. I feel like sometimes, me being the cart attendant am smarter then them and solved some issues that they couldn't because it required decent brain power.
 
watchdog9000 said:
I know it's beyond frustrating, but there's not much you can do about it. Recently we had an STL come in and fill in for a bit. On his last day I clocked in and he was in his office, along with 4 other LOD's. Go up front and the lanes are exploding. We call for backup and "nobody can come up". Not a peep out of any of the LOD's either. 4 hours later I find time to take a 15 minute break thanks to the Guest Service desk. I walk into TMSC and guess what, they are all still in the office whooping it up and having a grand old time. Thankfully our old STL is back now, and instances like this have finally stopped happening as much.
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That's when you get on the walkie: "LOD" wait for response, "LOD we are 1+4 on every register and I think I just saw the DTL" ETLs will have afterburners on at that point.

Of course you can always use the "LOD you're needed on the front lanes, we need backup and apparently no one else is working today."
or call for an all available using the overhead, and when the LOD tries to call you on it "I asked for backups on the walkie multiple times and not even an LOD responded."


We didn't have a cart attendant till late afternoon a few days ago so our DFM ended up having to help get carts during his walk.
 
Formina Sage said:
From FY07, I don't know how much these have changed because I don't have access to the Pay grade chart for AE11.

  • Paygrade 3
    • Cashier
    • Cart Attendant
    • Service Desk
    • Fitting Room
    • Sales Floor
    • Comp Shop
    • Brand Attendant
  • PG5
    • Clerical
    • Pharmacy TM
    • Photo Lab
    • Price Accuracy
    • Presentation
    • Softlines Brand TM
    • In-Stocks TM
    • Salesfloor-Bakery, Meat, Produce, Sampling
    • Food Ave
  • PG7
    • Backroom O/N, AM, Day
    • Flow O/N, AM, Day
    • Receiving/Reverse Logistics
    • Presentation
    • HR TM
    • Metro Comp Shop
    • Starbucks TM
  • PG9
    • Deli Production TM
    • Sales Floor Specialist - Electronics, Jewelry, Entertainment, Shoes
    • Food Service Specialist
    • Cash Office Specialist
    • Reverse Logistics Specialist
    • Signing Specialist
    • Photo Lab Specialist
    • Target Protection Specialist (TPS)
  • PG11
    • Baker
    • Cake Decorator
    • Sr. TPS
  • PG13
    • GSTL
    • Sales Floor TL - HL/SL
    • Consumables TL
    • In-Stocks TL
    • Food Service TL
    • Starbucks TL
    • HR TL
    • Logistics TL - Backroom, Flow
    • Photo Lab TL
    • Price Accuracy TL
    • Presenation TL
    • Key Carrier - Logistics TL
    • Garden Center TL
    • Pharmacy Technician
    • Assets Protection Specialist
  • PG15
    • Pharmacy TL - +$1 for being certified
    • Sr. APS
    • Food TL - Deli/Bakery/Produce/Meat
  • PG17
    • Sr. TL - Sales Floor
    • Sr. TL - Food
    • Sr. TL - Replenishment
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New paygrade rumors for AE13...

PG-SL
All positions, Target stores will now be run on slave labor. It will save the company in excess of 10 Billion dollars annually, all money saved will be direct deposited into Gregg's personal off shore account.
 
The pay scale for the new team leaders will be very Interesting from what I read on some documents... I am kinda excited for ae12
 
well I know there payed slightly better than a UA "utility assistant" for you store team members. I'm just wondering as compared to a mechanic.
 

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