Archived VM TL

[sher]

^^lol.. I've seen that happen. Well sorta. A new guest service tm was offered gsa and they didn't even post the job so a longtime tm didn't get a chance to even try. They both left target around the same time. The new gsa because that job sucks considering the small bump in pay vs the responsibilities. The guest service tm because she was fed up with tgt.

My new etl basically went around to scare internals who applied from pursuing it. She was all "well, you can still interview if you want, but we are interviewing people who have years of experience and degrees in the field. ...what was your degree in again? ...ohh... hmm... I mean, you can totally still interview if you want!" I chose not to because I didn't wanna go through the anxiety of an interview process when she was already so sure other people were better. I think it's kinda weird that she sorta shared other applicants' qualifications with me, though.

 

[copycopy]

They didn't even offer internal at our store. They just hired externally.

 

[Captainzim]

I think alot of the ones being hired externally with degrees in visual merchandising are going to be very sadly disappointed. This is no different then what the Softlines Team Leads and Merchandising Team members already do just with a new area using visual concepts. The usefulness of that degree isn't going to be utilized.

Its not going to be a hard position to be honest as long as the store is willing to give you the hours and team to make these areas really shine. If its just going to be cutting hours from salesfloor to give to this team then that store will have a really hard time.

 

[vendordontmesswithme]

They didn't even offer internal at our store. They just hired externally.

This will probably be a postion that will be eliminated in a couple years or duties expanded that newly hired college degree team members will understand my cynicism.

 

[Captainzim]

This will probably be a postion that will be eliminated in a couple years or duties expanded that newly hired college degree team members will understand my cynicism.

Most likely. Either that or when the CEO decides on a new pet project since this is the next big thing for Target Since PFresh.

I could see them moving it back to Softlines for the Visual Areas and move the new Visual Hardlines Areas back to the Hardlines Team Leads.

 

[JustJoe]

I talked with my ETL-HR today and she told me that I'm not being offered an interview for the position. Sure, I don't have a degree in fashion merchandising but I've been merchandising in one way or another for the better part of twenty years. I know color coordination and can read the crap out of a VA book.

Yeah, that conversation essentially made my decision to seek better paying employment elsewhere a whole lot easier. I have one goal in mind at this point: get paid more than I am now.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

I talked with my ETL-HR today and she told me that I'm not being offered an interview for the position. Sure, I don't have a degree in fashion merchandising but I've been merchandising in one way or another for the better part of twenty years. I know color coordination and can read the crap out of a VA book.

Yeah, that conversation essentially made my decision to seek better paying employment elsewhere a whole lot easier. I have one goal in mind at this point: get paid more than I am now.

Spot got stupid again. I am sorry for you.

 

[squirrely]

I know it's hard to not take it personally, but hq wants this to be an outside hire. As someone who does the VA right now, I totally get how you're feeling.

 

[JustJoe]

I know it's hard to not take it personally, but hq wants this to be an outside hire. As someone who does the VA right now, I totally get how you're feeling.

I'm still a little sour from the last round of hiring/promoting that happened in my store. During my 5 minute chat I asked what I can do to help develop myself when I'm in a position that really doesn't allow myself to stand out. I work four days on price change and my fifth is spent prepping the ad so I don't have a lot of downtime at work to join the clique that hangs out in and around TSC.

 

[tellmeaboutatime]

I know it's hard to not take it personally, but hq wants this to be an outside hire. As someone who does the VA right now, I totally get how you're feeling.

' I think we should ALL take it personally. To make a blanket assumption that the stores do not have the talent currently in the buildings is a slap in the face to all of the team members. Not even granting an interview is ridiculous. The best person for that position may or may not be in the stores. What they are saying is the people that that have in the stores are all mindless shits that could not excel at this position. Let the people in the store interview. If they are the best fit, great. If they aren't thats fine too. But to categorically dismiss the people who are working in your buildings now, deserve the chance to promote.

 

[squirrely]

' I think we should ALL take it personally. To make a blanket assumption that the stores do not have the talent currently in the buildings is a slap in the face to all of the team members. Not even granting an interview is ridiculous. The best person for that position may or may not be in the stores. What they are saying is the people that that have in the stores are all mindless shits that could not excel at this position. Let the people in the store interview. If they are the best fit, great. If they aren't thats fine too. But to categorically dismiss the people who are working in your buildings now, deserve the chance to promote.

I totally agree.

 

[RetailWorld]

I kinda get where HQ is coming from. The criteria for hiring/promoting a TL is very loose and low-scope. Therefore, it views current TL's as not having the complex skill set needed. Also, it recognizes that it needs a breath of fresh air to bring in new merchandising and presentation directions.

At the same time, there are plenty of TL's out there with a very high level of performance who could easily do this job given the resources. If anything, there are a ton of leaders out there who have been wanting to do exactly what the VMTL is going to do except they've been swamped with CAFs and reshop.

I think internal promotions should have been considered with DTL approval. If you had a TL with STL and DTL support, you'd think HQ would trust their judgement enough to promote the TL. This is just another example of corporate not trusting store-level management.

 

[cobycord]

I honestly think some stores are taking the position too seriously. I can only speak for my store but the only candidates that they chose for mine were myself, sum girl 4rm the Plano team, and a girl that quit a couple of years ago but heard about the position and decided to come back. I had to have my interview rescheduled but my ETL GE/Sales Floor walked me around today and said he wanted to "advise" me on things I should look for in the flip chart test they give you during the interview. I feel pretty good about everything because the plano female comes to work pretty much wearing red rags and the girl who decided to come back I heard is known for being lazy and people she worked with are still there so MAYBE the word got thru the grapevine lol.

 

[signingminion]

I talked with my ETL-HR today and she told me that I'm not being offered an interview for the position. Sure, I don't have a degree in fashion merchandising but I've been merchandising in one way or another for the better part of twenty years. I know color coordination and can read the crap out of a VA book.

Yeah, that conversation essentially made my decision to seek better paying employment elsewhere a whole lot easier. I have one goal in mind at this point: get paid more than I am now.

I'm worried this will be me soon. I have no problem telling my stl flat out if they won't interview me for it I will be leaving. Even if I have to flip burgers. And I will de-organize the signing trailer just so the next chump can have the fun I did.

 

[JustJoe]

I'm worried this will be me soon. I have no problem telling my stl flat out if they won't interview me for it I will be leaving. Even if I have to flip burgers. And I will de-organize the signing trailer just so the next chump can have the fun I did.

I told myself and a couple of trusted co-workers that if I didn't interview at the district level for this position I was going to go look elsewhere. I have been incredibly patient in the almost three years I've been in my store. I chose to take time to cross-train, ask questions, and be global before making the decision to jump into leadership. Hell, when I was with Wally and Sam's Club it took a year from the time I showed up as a cashier (making $10.60/hr in a low cost of living area) to advancing to hourly management, albeit still part-time. I would have had to wait for someone to die to get full-time so I transferred. All of this while not having store politics get in the way.

 

[signingminion]

I told myself and a couple of trusted co-workers that if I didn't interview at the district level for this position I was going to go look elsewhere. I have been incredibly patient in the almost three years I've been in my store. I chose to take time to cross-train, ask questions, and be global before making the decision to jump into leadership. Hell, when I was with Wally and Sam's Club it took a year from the time I showed up as a cashier (making $10.60/hr in a low cost of living area) to advancing to hourly management, albeit still part-time. I would have had to wait for someone to die to get full-time so I transferred. All of this while not having store politics get in the way.

When they passed me for fatl the stl promised to with toward benching me abd I told him I'd believe it when I saw it. When I took signing specialist the pptl promised the same. I'm not an idiot. We replaced instocks since then without even giving me a thought. Even though I am trained for it and that team voiced their vote for me last time they skipped me for it.

 

[sher]

I'm following that little meeting on twitter and this tweet is exactly why they're hesitant to hire internally:

.@Target hiring visual merch experts from top retailers to help bring to life style and home trends. – SVP Stacia Andersen #FNW2015
Target News on Twitter

If they hire mostly internals they can't say anything about fresh takes from top retail experts.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

I hope my sftl gets it, at my store. They are really good.

 

[signingminion]

Noticed the job post board was updated to include vml at n17 and both sl and hl brand at n5...not that they've interviewed anyone yet

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Noticed the job post board was updated to include vml at n17 and both sl and hl brand at n5...not that they've interviewed anyone yet

Go for it!

 

[signingminion]

Go for it!

Oh I did. Just waiting for them to start a conversation about it so I can fight for it. My gut tells as soon as they are back from convention.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

Oh I did. Just waiting for them to start a conversation about it so I can fight for it. My gut tells as soon as they are back from convention.

Make sure you apply on ehr too.

 

[signingminion]

Make sure you apply on ehr too.

I did, hrtm had to help cause I was worried it wouldn't show up since it says unavailable for our location or whatever. She got snarky with me about have I ever worked at Filenes or Macy's...I had just been at Macy's that weekend but not to merchandise...better money doing events. But this position is perfect for me if they can just be willing to let me try.

 

[Hardlinesmaster]

I did, hrtm had to help cause I was worried it wouldn't show up since it says unavailable for our location or whatever. She got snarky with me about have I ever worked at Filenes or Macy's...I had just been at Macy's that weekend but not to merchandise...better money doing events. But this position is perfect for me if they can just be willing to let me try.

That does not matter, go to your etl-hr & ask for an interview.

 

[Digi_E]

I'm following that little meeting on twitter and this tweet is exactly why they're hesitant to hire internally:

.@Target hiring visual merch experts from top retailers to help bring to life style and home trends. – SVP Stacia Andersen #FNW2015
Target News on Twitter

If they hire mostly internals they can't say anything about fresh takes from top retail experts.

bring fresh life style how? by reading an adjacency and following the brand guide for salesfloor with the options laid out for you ( style what you ha ve left to ptm)? Hilarious