Archived VM TL

[skyclad]

I do wish the personal attacks would stop though. It really doesn't matter who started what and when, it isn't needed and isn't relevant to the topic of the thread. If something was really offensive, then just alert a moderator. I can see making a response about something that comes off ridiculous that is job related, but the personal back and forth is just turning this thread into trash and isn't helpful for the VMLs (and non-VMLs) who actually are interested in discussing the position. There have been some really insightful posts on the forum, which is why I joined, but having to try and search for 'value' in a post shouldn't be like flea market shopping.

 

[Bryantpp]

I tho

Not the way human behavior works.

You're getting offended by minor things people say, which is then resulting in you attacking people.

It's not a sport, you're not playing a position. Your insecurities and defensiveness are causing you to act out in an offensive manner.

Your posts in general though are rather hypocritical. You ask others not to judge you or patronize you - yet you've made sexist comments about females, are attempting to talk down to me, and complained about others supposedly being overly sensitive while you yourself have been the most easily offended of anyone in the thread.

Yes, I am a complex and multi-faceted character, most intelligent people are. (this is not talking down to you). **but this might be construed as such.**

 

[mrknownothing]

I do wish the personal attacks would stop though. It really doesn't matter who started what and when, it isn't needed and isn't relevant to the topic of the thread. If something was really offensive, then just alert a moderator. I can see making a response about something that comes off ridiculous that is job related, but the personal back and forth is just turning this thread into trash and isn't helpful for the VMLs (and non-VMLs) who actually are interested in discussing the position. There have been some really insightful posts on the forum, which is why I joined, but having to try and search for 'value' in a post shouldn't be like flea market shopping.

This. If someone's posts offend you, use the Ignore and Report functions instead of carrying on with this crap. This thread is supposed to be for exchanging information about the VML position and visual merchandising, not insulting each other.

 

[commiecorvus]

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This. If someone's posts offend you, use the Ignore and Report functions instead of carrying on with this crap. This thread is supposed to be for exchanging information about the VML position and visual merchandising, not insulting each other.

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[Bryantpp]

Do you know what this position called "Market Team Leader" was that was eliminated? What did their work entail?

 

[PlanoBitch]

Do you know what this position called "Market Team Leader" was that was eliminated? What did their work entail?

They were in charge of the grocery section of the store. Basically they took care of PFresh, dry grocery, dealt with vendors, did their sales planners, and everything that goes along with working in Market. My store still has a TL who just does Market, 1 in HL, and 1 in SL. A lot of stores just have 1 TL now for Market and HL. Some stores have 1 TL for Market, HL, and SL.

 

[Nauzhror]

How does Market TL differ from CTL/Consumables Team Lead? Same thing, different verbiage?

 

[BigEyedPhish]

How does Market TL differ from CTL/Consumables Team Lead? Same thing, different verbiage?

CTL is more of an "Overseer" now rather than someone who actually works in the section. I think of it now as similar to if a GSTL ran Food Avenue.

Mine has worked in Market/PFresh maybe.... 3 times, in a year and a half... Market TL was a position that spent (atleast) half their time in Market.

This leads me to believe i am talking to a Brick wall most of the time.

 

[sher]

CTL is more of an "Overseer" now rather than someone who actually works in the section. I think of it now as similar to if a GSTL ran Food Avenue.

Mine has worked in Market/PFresh maybe.... 3 times, in a year and a half... Market TL was a position that spent (atleast) half their time in Market.

This leads me to believe i am talking to a Brick wall most of the time.

Your consumables tl has only worked in consumables thrice in over a year?!? I don't think that's how it's supposed to be. What do they do all day??

 

[PlanoBitch]

How does Market TL differ from CTL/Consumables Team Lead? Same thing, different verbiage?

We call ours CTL but it's the same thing as Market TL to us. She works 40 hrs in market

 

[Nauzhror]

What do they do all day??

Consume food?

 

[BlueSide]

I thought Market TL and Consumables TL just merged into Sales Floor TL, like every other TL position on the floor. We have 5 SFTLs. There's one for consumables, two for hardlines and two for softlines, but they all technically have the same title. I think...

 

[signingminion]

I thought Market TL and Consumables TL just merged into Sales Floor TL, like every other TL position on the floor. We have 5 SFTLs. There's one for consumables, two for hardlines and two for softlines, but they all technically have the same title. I think...

We've only ever had a ctl and we opened as a pfresh. Once it got upgraded to a srtl position they included a&b in their dominion though.

 

[BlueSide]

We've only ever had a ctl and we opened as a pfresh. Once it got upgraded to a srtl position they included a&b in their dominion though.

Since when has it been a SrTL position? Out of 3 stores in my town, I think only one has a SrTL over consumables.

 

[signingminion]

Since when has it been a SrTL position? Out of 3 stores in my town, I think only one has a SrTL over consumables.

Three ctls ago for me, so at least two years. They've been using it to promote people from tl to srtl after a couple months. They move someone over and if they don't choke immediately they announce their promotion to srtl "since they've taken on extra hard responsibilities, etc"

 

[skyclad]

I have a general question since many of you have worked with Target for a while.

I have noticed over the past few weeks that it seems teams get pulled from their departments quite a lot for backing up cashiers. I am not saying that members shouldn't help in other areas of the store, but it seems that scheduling doesn't really 'plan' around peak traffic patterns (which are pretty much like clockwork) with extra cashiers during those times (every company I have worked for does buff up cashiers during peak even if they are just 5.5 hour shifts).

I notice that the HL and SL members get pulled so often that it is quite nearly impossible to maintain their depts or assist guests...which of course results in lower sales. It was so bad recently that all members were told to assist the cashiers and not one TM was left on the floor (not even the fitting area).

To me, this is insanity...has it been this way for a while? It is no wonder that the stores are losing money...if you wan't a store to reach the next level of presentation, flow and guest service engagement (which is sorely needed beyond even the VM)...you *have* to have members in the departments...not frantically running back and forth (and wasting tons of time traversing the location) to backup cashiers.

I really feel so badly for the team members if this is the way it has been.

 

[Ashfromoldsite]

It seems like such a waste of money to create a position that doesn't need to exist. There where Team members who did the exact same thing. before VML. I don't know if corporate is keeping something close to the vest at this point but I really don't get how the position is necessary.

We don't either. It's a pointless position that's taking my hours away.

 

[skyclad]

We don't either. It's a pointless position that's taking my hours away.

Nice use of the royal "we". :eyeroll:
It is only pointless to those who are cluless about what it really takes to make a business profitable and what the position is for. It was not happening before and that is a fact. It also doesnt eat up your hours. The company not making its financial metrics is what is "taking away your hours." There are many reasons for that. Avoid trying to throw people under the bus and learn your business.

 

[Ashfromoldsite]

Nice use of the royal "we". :eyeroll:
It is only pointless to those who are cluless about what it really takes to make a business profitable and what the position is for. It was not happening before and that is a fact. It also doesnt eat up your hours. The company not making its financial metrics is what is "taking away your hours."

Nope. My store gets 165 hours A WEEK to staff all of Hardlines, in a SUPERT! With the Hardlines tl getting 40 of that and now the vmtl getting 40 of that, I as a Hardlines brand tm get less than 16 a week. The position took my hours, plain and simple.

20 year veteran here and have done every position from ETL to tm. I demoted when my kids were babies. I'm doing flow, price change, Plano, electronics, everything I can to get my 40 back.

 

[Ashfromoldsite]

Let me add...the store did get 40 additional hours a week for the position, but the STL did not put those hours in Hardlines. When she came, Hardlines hours did not increase. The Stl used the hours for flow probably.

 

[skyclad]

Nope. My store gets 165 hours A WEEK to staff all of Hardlines, in a SUPERT! With the Hardlines tl getting 40 of that and now the vmtl getting 40 of that, I as a Hardlines brand tm get less than 16 a week. The position took my hours, plain and simple.

20 year veteran here and have done every position from ETL to tm. I demoted when my kids were babies. I'm doing flow, price change, Plano, electronics, everything I can to get my 40 back.

Vml hours do not come out of those hours. If you are being told that, they are lying to you.

 

[skyclad]

Let me add...the store did get 40 additional hours a week for the position, but the STL did not put those hours in Hardlines. When she came, Hardlines hours did not increase. The Stl used the hours for flow probably.

That isnt the problem of the position then is it? It is about incompetent planning on your leadership's part. Once again, has nothing to do with the position and more to do with scape goating.

 

[Ashfromoldsite]

In MY store, the position is pointless.

Low volume stores do not need this position. She will never have a team to supervise or delegate to. She will be held accountable for the presentation of the store, so everyone else will use her as the scapegoat to why the store always looks like crap. She will fail and quit.

 

[Ashfromoldsite]

Vml hours do not come out of those hours. If you are being told that, they are lying to you.

The store gets a lump sum of payroll. The Stl divies out the hours weekly and chooses how much she wants to bank for emergencies (blizzards, etc). The Stl can do with those hours however she pleases.
She can say our hours were cut so bad that the vmtl hours ARE in the lump sum of Hardlines hours even tho the Hardlines hours didn't change. It's her right as the Stl. I was an ETL for 10 years. I've been responsible for the monthly payroll.

I realize you are new and came here to seek advice. I am sorry we are not as supportive as you'd hoped. But we've seen new positions created and eliminated time and time again. This isn't the first time they've tried something like this.

They need to stop trying stupid changes like this and get to the root of the problem. The CEOs are being greedy tightwads and they SHOULD be putting more payroll in the stores.

 

[PlanoBitch]

I have a general question since many of you have worked with Target for a while.

I have noticed over the past few weeks that it seems teams get pulled from their departments quite a lot for backing up cashiers. I am not saying that members shouldn't help in other areas of the store, but it seems that scheduling doesn't really 'plan' around peak traffic patterns (which are pretty much like clockwork) with extra cashiers during those times (every company I have worked for does buff up cashiers during peak even if they are just 5.5 hour shifts).

I notice that the HL and SL members get pulled so often that it is quite nearly impossible to maintain their depts or assist guests...which of course results in lower sales. It was so bad recently that all members were told to assist the cashiers and not one TM was left on the floor (not even the fitting area).

To me, this is insanity...has it been this way for a while? It is no wonder that the stores are losing money...if you wan't a store to reach the next level of presentation, flow and guest service engagement (which is sorely needed beyond even the VM)...you *have* to have members in the departments...not frantically running back and forth (and wasting tons of time traversing the location) to backup cashiers.

I really feel so badly for the team members if this is the way it has been.

It has been gradually getting worse over the past few years. I remember when there was hardly any backup called and we had enough cashiers that they would help push abandons or zone somewhere close by to help us out. Now we are lucky if we go 30 mins without hearing "team we need back up to the front, whose responding?" It's very aggravating that we have to stop everything we are in the middle of and go up front. Sometimes we are stuck up there 20-30 mins at a time while someone is on their lunch. Just putting it out there, I'm never mad at the cashiers or GSTL's for calling for help Im frustrated with the situation. The problem at my store is if we give any more payroll to the front end then we will have no one on the sales floor. We can't take from
Flow or backroom because they won't finish the trucks. Can't take from pog or pricing we won't finish our work. So the whole store just deals with going up front all day long. There is a grid in mytime for cashier scheduling that tells you if you have enough cashiers for everyday but when you don't get enough payroll to support that it is basically useless.